Drag Shows!!

[Emily's Cat]

Weird how those horrible conservatives didn't care until groomers went after the children.

Weird how many of those "horrible conservatives" are liberal females who have children.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Exactly. What does being made up like little sex dolls and vying to be judged the 'prettiest' do to the thinking of little pre-pubescent girls about their worth? I'd rather have taken my daughter to a drag queen story hour than a child 'beauty' pageant.

I think beauty pageants of all types are disgusting, and those involving kids are reprehensible.

And I promise you that as soon as they start being hosted in public libraries and elementary schools, funded by tax dollars, I will show up to petition them.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Not here to defend these pageants, but the girls are not sexualized. The audience is other moms, not men.

The children are dressed up in scanty clothing, and made-up as if they're adults. Many of the chosen songs and the dances performed are not what I would consider appropriate for children. Seriously, the young females in beauty pageants are being portrayed as sexy little kids. It's definitely the sexualization of children, the sex of those in the audience doesn't change that.

 

[acbytesla]

Oh come on. "Drag" has not been going on for five centuries. Not all cases of cross dressing are drag. And you certainly shouldn't be including stage actors in eras where FEMALES WERE NOT ALLOWED TO ACT AT ALL in your loosey-goosey definition of drag.

For the most part, instances of actors playing a role almost never count as drag. A female playing Peter Pan is not drag. Robin Williams in Mrs. Doubtfire is not drag.

John Leguizamo playing a drag queen in To Wong Foo might actually count as drag... but in that situation it should be noted that Leguizamo is NOT a drag queen - they were playing the role of a drag queen in a movie.

Drag has nothing to do with transgenderism. With the notable exception of Drag Queen Story Hour being used as a vehicle by which to promote transgenderism to children.

Have you looked through the books being read? Many of them are everyday kids books, no big deal. But many of them are intentionally chosen to normalize sexual orientation and gender identity themes to very young children. There's a nuance in there that gets crossed for me, personally. I would have no problem with books that promote the idea that little Johnny likes to wear frilly dresses and tiaras, and that's okay - because little male children can wear whatever they want and still be little male children. I do have a problem with books that promote the idea that because little Johnny likes to wear frilly dresses and tiaras, it means that Johnny is actually a little female child.

I WANT children and adults to feel free to wear whatever style of clothing they like (with bounds of decency and appropriateness for venue), without judgement, without harassment. I want to decouple sex from the absurd social expectations placed upon us. What I don't want, however, is to instill in children the idea that they get to "choose" what sex they are, or the idea that they have the "wrong body".

Actually much much longer than that. Ancient Roman and Greek plays included men and women switching gender roles. I absolutely do believe that everyone should be able to choose their own gender. It's their life not mine. They should be able to live it without fear or harassment from anyone. I think we should be compassionate and understanding.

 

[Emily's Cat]

I certainly don't look at it necessarily as something horrific. I need more context.
Better than children playing with guns and first shooter video games.

I have big problems with anything that tries to normalize the presence of children in adult situations. There's a big difference between not being ashamed that adults have sex, and kids being aware of basic body parts... and exposing young children to sexually-charged adult entertainment.

Normalizing the inclusion of children into adult sexual interactions is not okay, straight off the top.

Normalizing the inclusion of children into adult objectification of females for the purpose of male sexual titillation and gratification is a step beyond that for me.

 

[Upchurch]

Have you looked through the books being read? Many of them are everyday kids books, no big deal. But many of them are intentionally chosen to normalize sexual orientation and gender identity themes to very young children.

You know that most books normalize sexual orientation and gender identity, right?

Or do you mean you only object to books that normalize things other than cis-het?

 

[varwoche]

In fairness, the beauty pageant seemed completely un-sexual, unless the one kid in a two piece got your motor running. Did nothing for me.

It's the textbook example of sexualizing children. What it didn't do for you is highly irrelevant.

The pic shown had a guy in translucent panties (full crack in view); and a young child stuffing a dollar in them. That's.....not cool. And color me prudish for thinking so.

No it's not cool, regardless that she is a she. I don't understand how people think that's cool/normal.

 

[acbytesla]

I have big problems with anything that tries to normalize the presence of children in adult situations. There's a big difference between not being ashamed that adults have sex, and kids being aware of basic body parts... and exposing young children to sexually-charged adult entertainment.

Normalizing the inclusion of children into adult sexual interactions is not okay, straight off the top.

Normalizing the inclusion of children into adult objectification of females for the purpose of male sexual titillation and gratification is a step beyond that for me.

I think it's naive to think we can hide adult situations from children. IMV, thinking we can protect children by sheilding them is a horrible mistake. I worry about adults preying on children but I'm not concerned about them being exposed to reality.

 

[Emily's Cat]

It's the textbook example of sexualizing children. What it didn't do for you is highly irrelevant.

No it's not cool, regardless that she is a she. I don't understand how people think that's cool/normal.

 

[Emily's Cat]

I think it's naive to think we can hide adult situations from children. IMV, thinking we can protect children by sheilding them is a horrible mistake. I worry about adults preying on children but I'm not concerned about them being exposed to reality.

We have different views on where to draw the line, clearly.

Like, I don't think that buying a new goldfish and lying to a child to protect them from the concept of death is a good idea, I think it's healthy for kids to learn that death is a part of life.

On the other hand... I feel like maybe you're a bit more on the behead the goldfish, then filet it and serve it as sushi side of "exposing kids to reality" than I am.

 

[acbytesla]

From what I can see. No one in this thread has come even close to presenting a decent argument against drag performances or any kind of actual link to gender dysphoria.

And while this thread isn’t specifically about transgendered individuals. It's clear that this is the boogeyman that scares some of the posters. Either that or they deeply want this to be an issue the GOP can use to win elections.

Drag is performance art that involves gender switching. Men performing in female roles and females performing in male roles. A poster here seems to want to define it strictly to gay flamboyant performances. Straight men playing female roles seems acceptable and not drag to this person. IMV this is just homophic.

 

[Matthew Best]

Homophic and probly facist.

 

[acbytesla]

Delete

 

[Stacyhs]

In fairness, the beauty pageant seemed completely un-sexual, unless the one kid in a two piece got your motor running. Did nothing for me.
The pic shown had a guy in translucent panties (full crack in view); and a young child stuffing a dollar in them. That's.....not cool. And color me prudish for thinking so.

Good. You've established you're not a pedophile. I don't get turned on when a little boy goes swimming in the raw, either. But let me see Timothy Olyphant in all his naked glory and that would be another story altogether.

 

[Stacyhs]

No... as in you think it's just fine for young children to be stuffing dollar bills into the undergarments of a half-naked adult?

Personally, no, I don't. It's not something I would have let my little one do. But then again, I don't think it should be made illegal, either.

 

[Darat]

I wouldn't say that drag shows are the cause of rapid onset gender dysphoria; that's a bit of a stretch. But comparing drags shows of the past - which were adults only - with this predator-like insistence to sexually gyrate in front of kids seems disingenuious. Why would an adult want to do that in front of children?

Perhaps go back in the thread and see drag entertainers are on mainstream prime time TV in the UK now. There is of course some drag entertainment which is adults only, but there is also family-friendly drag entertainment as well.

 

[Darat]

Beauty pagents are a whole different ball of wax; moms trying to live vicariously through their daughters. If the young girls do poll dancing, you'd have a point.

Of course it's different... One is entertainment that doesn't sexualise children, the drag shows, and the other is the child beauty pageants that are all about sexualisation of children. Have a look at the photos I linked to, many of those costumes wouldn't be out of place in a gentleman's club or a burlesque show.

 

[Darat]

LOL, why don't they want to read in nursing homes?







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Because the old folk don't want stories read to them, however a game of bingo and

https://www.huntspost.co.uk/news/23394613.drag-queen-felicity-flappes-stars-st-ives-care-home-event/

Or a song and dance

https://www.hastingsinfocus.co.uk/2021/10/11/drag-queens/

Or a bit of dressing up

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/what-happened-drag-queen-visited-5628660

Or... Well I am sure you can search for the many drag entertainers who do entertain old folk.

 

[Stacyhs]

Of course it's different... One is entertainment that doesn't sexualise children, the drag shows, and the other is the child beauty pageants that are all about sexualisation of children. Have a look at the photos I linked to, many of those costumes wouldn't be out of place in a gentleman's club or a burlesque show.

Or worse, the pictures I posted. Madonna pyramid bustier, fake Dolly Parton boobs, and dressed up like strippers. One I didn't post was a 3 year old made up to look like Julia Roberts as a hooker in Pretty Woman. But, that's not sexualizing her at all, amirite?

 

[Darat]

In fairness, the beauty pageant seemed completely un-sexual, unless the one kid in a two piece got your motor running. Did nothing for me.



The pic shown had a guy in translucent panties (full crack in view); and a young child stuffing a dollar in them. That's.....not cool. And color me prudish for thinking so.

Thankfully I don't find any child sexually attractive, but that is not what sexualisation means. In the photo of the drag performer the child is not being sexualised, i.e. made to act or appear like a sexually mature female, in the beauty pageant photos children are being made to appear as what passes for adult females who are dressing "sexy" and also act as an sexually mature female does when they are meant to be being sexy.