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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

William Parcher said:
At least 9 injured in a mass shooting in downtown Denver, police say, soon after Nuggets’ NBA title win.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/13/us/denver-shooting-market-street
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This doesn't count as a real mass shooting because it was a drug deal gone bad. Ricardo Vazquez and Raoul Jones have been arrested. At least 6 of the 9 victims were innocent bystanders, or "gang members" as some people on this board call them.


A similar shooting occurred during an NBA playoff game in Milwaukee last year. 21 people were wounded. Every single person arrested, 8 or 9 I believe, was involved in a socioeconomic situation so it didn't count either.
 
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There was another "not-a-real-mass shooting" mass shooting with 9 victims in San Francisco last week as well.

Javier Campos Jr., a known gang member, pulled off a "targeted" drive-by shooting during a block party in the Mission District. Javier Campos Jr is no stranger to mass shootings as this is at least his 2nd.
Jan. 23 shooting at a Valero gas station in Oakland during a music video for a Stockton rapper, the sources said. The Oakland shooting occurred after a group of Sureños crashed the set of the video, prompting a shootout between them and a number of alleged Norteño gang affiliates, police say.
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Javier Campos Jr was roaming the streets before both mass shootings despite having multiple prior gun charges:
Campos was out on bail in a multi-count felony case in Alameda County, filed last September. In that case, prosecutors charged him with multiple counts of drug and gun possession, stemming from his arrest at a Burger King in Oakland.

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Campos also has two warrants for his arrest out of San Mateo County after he failed to show up for two separate trials in May. There, he is charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm and in another case conspiring with his girlfriend to sneak opiates into the county jail.
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Both of these mass shootings may have been prevented if we could bother locking up gun criminals, but that would be systemic racism and ****.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/06...g-recent-san-francisco-attack-that-injured-9/
 
arthwollipot said:
I admit to being a little bothered to claim that certain kinds of shootings "don't count".
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I don't think that's Brainster's stance at all. They think that left ignores mass shootings when they are carried out by people of colour.
 
The Don said:
I don't think that's Brainster's stance at all. They think that left ignores mass shootings when they are carried out by people of colour.
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There's definitely a large segment of society that is ok with endemic misery and crime so long as its contained to certain designated communities, namely poor, often black or brown slums of major cities.

I wouldn't say that the "left" is disinterested in these considering much of the left's base comes from poor, minority neighborhoods. Left policies are constantly grappling with how to deal with policing, poverty, and general blight in these communities.

It's much more centrist liberals and conservatives who are content to ignore the troubles happening outside their neighborhoods and only get agitated when violence penetrates their world.

Conservatives only think about these communities as useful foils in their racist view of the world (but Chicago!), and liberals hardly think of them at all.
 
Meh, our obsession with mass-shootings just shows what a sick society we have become.

We need to address socioeconomic inequality and mental health.
 
Mass shooting should count as mass shooting based on number alone. That's what the terms means.
But it is indeed silly classification. There is difference between gang members shooting other gang members (and random bystanders), random people fighting over who will first buy an ice cream on a beach, and skewed guy shooting out a school, or even random crowd.
All can turn into mass shooting, but the situation and causes are different. Which means it might also need a different solutions. I certainly feel that mixing them all together serves no purpose.

And while white supremacists shooting random crowd make bigger news, they will never lead the charts. They also usually plan well ahead, are dedicated, and unscrupulous .. they will always find a way, as mass killing acts in Germany or Japan showed. And gangs will be hardest to get the guns from. It's not like they care about gun laws even today.

I wouldn't agree with "it's not white supremacists, it's the gangs" .. but I'd agree with "it's not JUST the white supremacists, it's the ALSO the gangs". Not exactly sure what exactly Bogative means. But I'm trying to go with the most honorable interpretation of ambiguous posts, not the most despicable.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Mass shooting should count as mass shooting based on number alone. That's what the terms means.
But it is indeed silly classification. There is difference between gang members shooting other gang members (and random bystanders), random people fighting over who will first buy an ice cream on a beach, and skewed guy shooting out a school, or even random crowd.
All can turn into mass shooting, but the situation and causes are different. Which means it might also need a different solutions. I certainly feel that mixing them all together serves no purpose.

And while white supremacists shooting random crowd make bigger news, they will never lead the charts. They also usually plan well ahead, are dedicated, and unscrupulous .. they will always find a way, as mass killing acts in Germany or Japan showed. And gangs will be hardest to get the guns from. It's not like they care about gun laws even today.

I wouldn't agree with "it's not white supremacists, it's the gangs" .. but I'd agree with "it's not JUST the white supremacists, it's the ALSO the gangs". Not exactly sure what exactly Bogative means. But I'm trying to go with the most honorable interpretation of ambiguous posts, not the most despicable.
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I agree 100%.

Categorizing a random mass-shooting of strangers at a movie theater by a deranged gunman as the same as a gang shooting against targeted gang members between the Crips & Bloods, or a Muslim terrorist targeting a local fair, or a white supremacist targeting a black church, is NOT the same thing and requires very different solutions. Very foolish for us to label them the same type of phenomenon.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Meh, our obsession with mass-shootings just shows what a sick society we have become.

We need to address socioeconomic inequality and mental health.
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I agree that that would go quite a distance towards addressing the issue of mass shootings, as well as a host of other societal ills. But - and here's the unpopular part - you won't get far unless you also address the issue of guns.
 
Hercules56 said:
Meh, our obsession with mass-shootings just shows what a sick society we have become.

We need to address socioeconomic inequality and mental health.
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I completely agree with you last sentence, but we also need to do something about the lack of sensible gun laws.
 
Damn St. Louis neo-Nazis and white supremacists must be at it again!

10 juveniles injured in downtown shooting, 1 killed.


Previous incidents in the past where large crowds have resulted in fights, shootings, and overall crime have fueled outrage over dangerous situations for residents with some directed at late night businesses. They have vehemently denied they’re to blame, instead asking for more police patrol.
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