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Intelligence official say U.S. has retrieved craft of non-human origin

JayUtah said:
But Grusch is "highly credible!"



You may have more respect than I for the time and attention of the present Congress.

All seriousness aside, this is how the UFO community seems to work. Every 10-20 years, some new highly-placed joker comes out and rehashes the same old material for which there has never been an iota of proof. UFO fans simply interpret it as the Powers That Be having kept the coverup going for another decade or two. There's another "witness," so it must be true.
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And somebody explain this to me: For most of the last century, the world's leading nations have been engaged in a horribly expensive arms technology and space race, yet we are to believe that since 1947 (Rosswell), the US has had access to advanced alien technology. How come none of this has manifested in Earth technology? (And it hasn't, because technology has followed a nicely evolving pattern. No sudden inexplicable jumps.)

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
For most of the last century, the world's leading nations have been engaged in a horribly expensive arms technology and space race, yet we are to believe that since 1947 (Rosswell), the US has had access to advanced alien technology. How come none of this has manifested in Earth technology?
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Even if we go on the premise that it's true that we have some alien stuff, that's not hard to explain at all. Possessing a sample is one thing, and figuring out how to make our own that work is another. Cargo cults are mimicking WWII technology with wood carved into similar shapes, and that's with only a gap of a few thousand years to try to bridge. The gap between us and aliens could be millions to low billions of years.
 
The recent police bodycam video & 911 call from Utah is interesting. If there really were an alien crash or landing in a place like that, I believe that's what it would really look like at first. And blacking out the back yard from the video "because it's private property" when back yards have never been blacked out before certainly looks suspicious. But somebody at the police station who did the blacking out would know what it showed, and the people who walked into that back yard would have talked about what they saw; the story wouldn't have ended right before we get to the meat. And there's a conspicuous lack of any word on whether the alien object flew away, sank into the Earth, vanished, is still there, or whatever else. It's like we got the perfectly credible intro to a perfectly real story of an alien arrival, and then got cut off after the intro.
 
Delvo said:
Even if we go on the premise that it's true that we have some alien stuff, that's not hard to explain at all. Possessing a sample is one thing, and figuring out how to make our own that work is another. Cargo cults are mimicking WWII technology with wood carved into similar shapes, and that's with only a gap of a few thousand years to try to bridge. The gap between us and aliens could be millions to low billions of years.
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Well, I largely disagree on several points.

There may be intelligent cultures out there that are millions of years old, but I expect those will be past the stage of fumbling around and loosing crafts and crews on backward worlds.

The talk is not about bits and pieces only, but also whole ( albeit perhaps defective )craft. Even if we were nowhere near able to replicate a craft, there would surely be technology that we could adapt and use.

About cargo cults: They do not attempt to build an aircraft. They build decoys in the hope that real aircraft may come in to land. Much like duck decoys

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
Right. If a US plane crashed in some jungle, would the US just shrug it off and let the natives mess with the bodies (and possible survivors :eek:)? No, big rescue operations would be mounted. Since these supposed extraterrestrials can visit Earth with apparent ease *), they would certainly recover their casualties and probably their critical technology as well.

Hans

*) For us, interstellar travel appears an enormous undertaking, even if or when we acquire a feasible technology, but these folks don't seem to want anything but to just fizz around and observe us, so it can be no big deal to them.
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While I don't buy the UFO crash thing it must be pointed out we've crashed probes on Mars, and the moon without attempted recovery. Had Apollo 13 skipped off the earth's atmosphere, nobody was going up to rescue them. On the one hand the thing that makes UFOs difficult to accept as aliens is the distances they have to cover to get here, but we can't turn around an suggest that IF they were extraterrestrial that they wouldn't send robotic probes just like we do.

But we know what a crash looks like. We have planes crashes, we've lost two space shuttles (one at launch and the other on reentry), and most of us have seen automobile accidents wherein we drive through broken glass, and oil/fluid stains for weeks afterward. I don't care what planet they're from, there's going to be leftover wreckage. The first law of Aviation Archeology is, "There's always something left over".
 
Axxman300 said:
But we know what a crash looks like. We have planes crashes, we've lost two space shuttles (one at launch and the other on reentry), and most of us have seen automobile accidents wherein we drive through broken glass, and oil/fluid stains for weeks afterward. I don't care what planet they're from, there's going to be leftover wreckage. The first law of Aviation Archeology is, "There's always something left over".
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I always liked the "angel hair", I think it was called, back in the old days. Metallic fibers that were supposedly UFO exhaust or something similar, but it had the amazing property of completely evaporating, no matter how it was stored, and leaving absolutely no detectable residue behind. Maybe the wreckage dissolves too. :D
 
Axxman300 said:
While I don't buy the UFO crash thing it must be pointed out we've crashed probes on Mars, and the moon without attempted recovery. Had Apollo 13 skipped off the earth's atmosphere, nobody was going up to rescue them. On the one hand the thing that makes UFOs difficult to accept as aliens is the distances they have to cover to get here, but we can't turn around an suggest that IF they were extraterrestrial that they wouldn't send robotic probes just like we do.

But we know what a crash looks like. We have planes crashes, we've lost two space shuttles (one at launch and the other on reentry), and most of us have seen automobile accidents wherein we drive through broken glass, and oil/fluid stains for weeks afterward. I don't care what planet they're from, there's going to be leftover wreckage. The first law of Aviation Archeology is, "There's always something left over".
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Robot probes, yes. But the claim is that alien bodies have been found. That claim has stood ever since 1947 (Roswell). Yes, the Apollo astronauts would not have been rescued, because the technology was not available at the time, but these critters are supposed to master interstellar travel.

Hans
 
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Delvo said:
The recent police bodycam video & 911 call from Utah is interesting. If there really were an alien crash or landing in a place like that, I believe that's what it would really look like at first. And blacking out the back yard from the video "because it's private property" when back yards have never been blacked out before certainly looks suspicious. But somebody at the police station who did the blacking out would know what it showed, and the people who walked into that back yard would have talked about what they saw; the story wouldn't have ended right before we get to the meat. And there's a conspicuous lack of any word on whether the alien object flew away, sank into the Earth, vanished, is still there, or whatever else. It's like we got the perfectly credible intro to a perfectly real story of an alien arrival, and then got cut off after the intro.
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I saw that, but I didn't find it particularly interesting. The 7-9 foot tall green aliens was cute. If you're grasping at anything, maybe it was interesting that supposedly more than one independent witness saw something, but compared to Phoenix Lights or the Ariel school incident, it was pretty low-key.
 
MRC_Hans said:
Right. If a US plane crashed in some jungle, would the US just shrug it off and let the natives mess with the bodies (and possible survivors :eek:)? No, big rescue operations would be mounted. Since these supposed extraterrestrials can visit Earth with apparent ease *), they would certainly recover their casualties and probably their critical technology as well.

Hans

*) For us, interstellar travel appears an enormous undertaking, even if or when we acquire a feasible technology, but these folks don't seem to want anything but to just fizz around and observe us, so it can be no big deal to them.
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Here's another thing that occurred to me over the weekend.

Think about the globe. If an alien spacecraft were to crash in a random place on the planet, where is it most likely to be? In the ocean, obviously. So rule those out and assume that it crashes on land.

A very large part of one half of the globe is Russia and China.

If the US has crashed spaceships and alien bodies, then so do the Russians and the Chinese.
 
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