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Intelligence official say U.S. has retrieved craft of non-human origin

Two points: if the govt got a hold of flying saucers, I would hope they would turn them over to private researchers poste haste. With the feds at the helm, we'll never learn anything.

Second, if this guy really knew anything real, he'd already be dead.
 
I agree with Cainkane1, except that I don't think it would be a good thing if alien craft were in our possession. We have enough freaking problems on this planet without intergalactic arms races entering the equation.

I know many of us don't love Michael Shermer around these parts any more, but he did a pretty good little episode about this on his podcast. (I guess it's a podcast, I don't know. Whatever he has on Youtube.) I still listen when it's about stuff like this; I'm far less interested in political and social commentary (blechh).

This kind of reminds me of Bob Lazar, and all the claims he has made over the years. He doesn't strike me as very credible, personally, but he is highly upheld as such in UFO-adjacent and diet-conspiracy circles. If you're unfamiliar with him, he claimed to have been hired to reverse-engineer recovered alien technology at Area 51 sometime in the '70s or '80s. If I recall, some of his claims about being employed there checked out, but due to the secretive nature of everything, the capacity of his work was likely exaggerated. On an unrelated note, he also got in trouble for running a prostitution ring at one point, though his fans commonly believe these charges were false and intended to besmirch his good name.

My personal feeling is that if such advanced aliens were here and wanted to observe us, we'd probably never be able to perceive direct evidence of such. But who knows, maybe they're generally as dumb as humans and just got lucky on a few technological fronts.
 
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Yeah, this is wash-rinse-repeat. "This guy that other people say is very credible says he heard things from other people." The "things" are the same claims as all the other Very Credible People have been making for decades. He doesn't have any new claims or new information or new evidence: just yet another occupational backstory that attempts to breathe life into the same old nonsense. He can make a superficially plausible claim to have worked at the right places for the right people and the right times. But ultimately he has no receipts.
 
“It's amazing how good governments are, given their track records in almost every other field, at hushing up things like alien encounters. One reason may be that the aliens themselves are too embarrassed to talk about it.

It's not known why most of the space-going races of the universe want to undertake rummaging in Earthling underwear as a prelude to formal contact. But representatives of several hundred races have taken to hanging out, unsuspected by one another, in rural corners of the planet and, as a result of this, keep on abducting other would-be abductees. Some have been in fact abducted while waiting to carry out an abduction on a couple of aliens trying to abduct the aliens who were, as a result of misunderstood instructions, trying to form cattle into circles and mutilate crops.

The planet Earth is now banned to all alien races until they can compare notes and find out how many, if any, real humans they have actually got. It is gloomily suspected that there is only one - who is big, hairy, and has very large feet."
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-Terry Pratchett
 
...And his story begins to unravel in predictably spectacular fashion.

The Compass Rose Legal Group just dropped him, claiming that while they represented him in his case for the ICIG about material being withheld from Congress, they didn't know what Grusch's withheld materials were.

They don't do UFO stuff.

Lol, good for them.
 
Grusch's lawyer has helpfully described one of the crashed and recovered UFOs to the Daily Mail.

The attorney told DailyMail.com that one alleged recovery, recounted to him by a supposed crash retrieval program insider, involved a 30ft saucer partially embedded in the earth, with some fantastical properties.

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'They had a guy go into it. He got in there, and it was as big as a football stadium. It was freaking him out and started making him feel nauseous, he was so disoriented because it was so gigantic inside.

'It was the size of a football stadium, while the outside was only about 30 feet in diameter.'

Sheehan said that space was not the only warped dimension around the craft.

'He staggered back out after being in there a couple of minutes, and outside it was four hours later,' he said. 'There was all kinds of time distortion and space distortion.'

But Sheehan declined to give further details – including a location and date of the incident – and said he was unable to provide evidence for the claims.
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Yeah these claims definitely merit the time and special attention of the United States Congress.
 
Checkmite said:
Grusch's lawyer has helpfully described one of the crashed and recovered UFOs to the Daily Mail.
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But Grusch is "highly credible!"

Yeah these claims definitely merit the time and special attention of the United States Congress.
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You may have more respect than I for the time and attention of the present Congress.

All seriousness aside, this is how the UFO community seems to work. Every 10-20 years, some new highly-placed joker comes out and rehashes the same old material for which there has never been an iota of proof. UFO fans simply interpret it as the Powers That Be having kept the coverup going for another decade or two. There's another "witness," so it must be true.
 
The last big one was Philip J. Corso with his book, "The Day After Roswell". Lots of stories, cable news time, but zero evidence.

Meanwhile, some 20-something guy with the Air National Guard managed to photocopy and scan classified documents, and post them on gaming message boards to impress his friends.

Give me a break.
 
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Dr Steven Novella:

Another UFO Whistleblower

Something occurred to me when I hit this bit:

Seems to me that for a civilisation that is able to cross interstellar space to come here, they seem to crash or abandon their ships rather a lot. They cross the vast gulf between stars, only to crash their ship and let their bodies be recovered by the natives? That alone strains credibility.
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Sorry for being late to the discussion - but with a name like his he ought to be writing books!
 
Thermal said:
Abduction....from Calvin Klein. Also featuring Probed: our new line of personal lubricants
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Ah, darn, I have a perfect post in reply to this, but it's too close to a possible infraction of the Membership Agreement. (Something to do with the volume of the alleged alien craft.)
 
Evidently an extended interview with Grusch was aired on "NewsNation" and it effectively confirmed that the secret information that he's "blowing the whistle" on isn't anything actually new or unique, but rather he is quite literally just referencing already-existing UFO/alien claims and lore that were first made years or even decades ago. To include:

- A hoax about a crashed UFO having been captured by Mussolini, acquired by Allied powers with the help of the Vatican(!) at the end of WWII

- A hoax about a UFO that deactivated a nuclear missile inside its silo at an Air Force Base that was already being referenced by congressmen during the opening salvos of the present UFO-hearing hysteria a couple of years ago

- The US government is in contact with multiple different alien races, some of whom are "bad"

- Longstanding UFO lore about the government having some unspecified secret treaty with the "bad" aliens allowing them to kidnap and kill people
 
arthwollipot said:
Dr Steven Novella:

Another UFO Whistleblower

Something occurred to me when I hit this bit:

Seems to me that for a civilisation that is able to cross interstellar space to come here, they seem to crash or abandon their ships rather a lot. They cross the vast gulf between stars, only to crash their ship and let their bodies be recovered by the natives? That alone strains credibility.
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Right. If a US plane crashed in some jungle, would the US just shrug it off and let the natives mess with the bodies (and possible survivors :eek:)? No, big rescue operations would be mounted. Since these supposed extraterrestrials can visit Earth with apparent ease *), they would certainly recover their casualties and probably their critical technology as well.

Hans

*) For us, interstellar travel appears an enormous undertaking, even if or when we acquire a feasible technology, but these folks don't seem to want anything but to just fizz around and observe us, so it can be no big deal to them.
 
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