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Cont: Transwomen are not women - part XI

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Darat said:
So a different question to the thread title.

Nope, no more than it is for them to reject all men.

However if their rejection is based not being attracted or to an individual but because they think trans women are disgusting, or some other moral judgement then it could be that they are rejecting someone for sex because they are a bigot...
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What if they simply believe that a transwomen is in fact NOT a woman? Is it bigotry to reject all transwomen cuz you think they are in fact, men?
 
Upchurch said:
Sexual attraction is not something you choose. If you are not attracted to someone, you aren't attracted to them.
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What if you are attracted to them but don't want to learn how to perform fellatio when you've already mastered cunnilingus?
 
Upchurch said:
Sexual attraction is not something you choose. If you are not attracted to someone, you aren't attracted to them. It has nothing to do with bigotry.

Rejecting someone as an employee, renter, friend, etc, because they are trans is a choice and is bigotry.
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Where's the head smack emoji when I need it?

The entire point of this thread was rejection for sex/romance, not for any and all interactions. Did you not even read the OP?
 
d4m10n said:
What if you are attracted to them but don't want to learn how to perform fellatio when you've already mastered cunnilingus?
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Finally a good question.

I mean it might not be bigoted but could probably be said to be closed minded? I suck at guessing peoples motivations though.
 
Upchurch said:
Of course, I did. Probably more than Herculies56 did, given the gaping holes. What don't you understand this time?
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I don't understand why you're talking about rejecting people as, for example, a renter, when that's clearly off topic for the thread.
 
Hercules56 said:
What if a Lesbian has a stated and consistent policy that they will simply not entertain any sexual advances or overtures from a transgender woman, as they do not accept transgender women to be actual women? Is that bigotry?
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So what? Back in the day I would have said I wasn't attracted to any 'jocks' as we called them.

No it isn't bigotry.
 
Darat said:
So a different question to the thread title.

Nope, no more than it is for them to reject all men.

However if their rejection is based not being attracted or to an individual but because they think trans women are disgusting, or some other moral judgement then it could be that they are rejecting someone for sex because they are a bigot.

Sadly I’ve know people to use “race”, religion and nationality as a reason to reject someone because of their bigotry for a particular race, religion or nationality.

I’ve known quite a few lesbians who are very bigoted about men, but that isn’t the reason they reject sex with a man, that’s because they don’t find men attractive.

As ever human interactions are complex, there are no hard lines and there are no simple equations or logic trees that covers that complexity.
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Dude, next time please read the actual OP before replying.

This isn't about rejecting a prospective employee, tenant or customer due to them being transgender.

This is about rejecting a dating partner because they are transgender.
 
Hercules56 said:
Unlike other people, I have only applied the question in the OP to dating.
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Yes, you ignored all the gaping holes in your premise in order to be outraged about something that appears to be an extremist complaint, which may not actually be happening... and then applying THAT to a near meaningless question.
 
Hercules56 said:
That's not the issue. The issue is, is it an act of bigotry for a lesbian to reject the concept of dating a transwoman because they believe transwoman are not true women?
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Someone else is putting this rationale onto all such rejections. You don't know "because they aren't true women" is some sort of general belief of lesbians.

Show me a properly conducted survey or you have nothing here except a multilevel homophobic rant.
 
Upchurch said:
Yes, you ignored all the gaping holes in your premise in order to be outraged about something that appears to be an extremist complaint, which may not actually be happening... and then applying THAT to a near meaningless question.
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Why are there gaping holes in the premise? You think a lesbian could never reject a transwoman?
 
Upchurch said:
Yes, you ignored all the gaping holes in your premise
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What exactly do you think his premise is?

in order to be outraged about something that appears to be an extremist complaint,
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Yes, it's an extremist complaint. So what? Can we not address extremism?

which may not actually be happening
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Oh, it absolutely is.

and then applying THAT to a near meaningless question.
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The question in the OP isn't meaningless at all.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Someone else is putting this rationale onto all such rejections. You don't know "because they aren't true women" is some sort of general belief of lesbians.

Show me a properly conducted survey or you have nothing here except a multilevel homophobic rant.
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Why would a lesbian reject all transwomen for dating?

Obviously because they believed that transwomen are not actually women.

And is their right to do so.
 
Are you really going to get bent out of shape over someone you rejected for dating expressing a negative opinion about you?

My brief time in the dating market lead me to believe that while a lot of people are quite well adjusted and treat people kindly in their personal affairs, a decent number of them do not. People are often petty or manipulative or whatever when it comes to dating and relationships and it's just something you have to deal with. Occupational hazard, so to speak, of trying to date or get laid.

I really don't see the problem. If you're the type of person who says "sorry, I don't date trans women/men", then why are you getting upset if some of these people react negatively to that. Such is life, you can't make everyone happy.
 
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Ziggurat said:
I don't understand why you're talking about rejecting people as, for example, a renter, when that's clearly off topic for the thread.
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Because you asked:

Ziggurat said:
I don't see what distinction you're making between these two scenarios. Obviously you think there is an important distinction, but I have no idea what it is.
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As you were unable of understanding what Darat was saying, I said it in a different way. There is a difference between choosing to reject someone and rejecting them because you are not attracted to them. That difference is "choice".
 
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