Criminal Charges Against Trump / Trump Indicted / Hush Money Part II

[Aridas]

I agree that these concerns should not invite paralysis. What I hope is that being mindful of the possibility inspires discipline as well as resolve. They are not mutually exclusive.

Of course. To go a little further, part of the reason that the fears are easy to exploit is that it's easy to point at historical examples of overcompensating happening. The point there is more that those who sow fear and doubt do actively amplify and twist those particular concerns to protect injustice that they think benefits them, rather than that the concerns are either baseless or that they shouldn't be kept in mind and addressed appropriately. Further, given that they're pointedly using and amplifying such, their voices will naturally be leading the topic from the start, which plays upon our psychological biases.

 

[Stacyhs]

The danger in fighting fire with fire is that it can result in an uncontrolled fire destroying everything. Fire can be used to fight fire, but only by controlled and careful actions. Those actions, in this case, are abiding by our laws and traditions.

As history has shown us, those who overthrow a repressive regime in the name of freedom often become exactly what they initially opposed.

I've previously said that the extreme left and extreme right have more in common when it comes to only seeing things in black and white than they can either see or admit. I've been seeing it a lot recently.

 

[Susheel]

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I've previously said that the extreme left and extreme right have more in common when it comes to only seeing things in black and white than they can either see or admit. I've been seeing it a lot recently.

Well, in the American context, the "extreme left" is often a bogeyman purely generated in the minds of both right-wingers and soft-Republican "centrist" democrats. It is a very convenient way to sideline those who might actually work to make radical changes for the betterment of the underserved in American society, seeking better funding for education, healthcare, nutrition, and the like.

 

[MRC_Hans]

It is not a question of which extremists to defend. All kinds of extremism must be held at bay. It is, however, a strategy of extremists to provoke the opposition to be as extreme as possible, because that can be used to justify your own extremism.

Hns

 

[Stacyhs]

Well, in the American context, the "extreme left" is often a bogeyman purely generated in the minds of both right-wingers and soft-Republican "centrist" democrats. It is a very convenient way to sideline those who might actually work to make radical changes for the betterment of the underserved in American society, seeking better funding for education, healthcare, nutrition, and the like.

I disagree.
Are you claiming centrist Democrats don't seek "better funding for education, healthcare, nutrition, and the like"?
Your referring to centrist Democrats as 'soft-Republican' is a good example of what I'm talking about.

 

[Susheel]

I disagree.
Are you claiming centrist Democrats don't seek "better funding for education, healthcare, nutrition, and the like"?
Your referring to centrist Democrats as 'soft-Republican' is a good example of what I'm talking about.

Oh don't get me wrong...they provide lip service to such progressive causes, but don't take any real steps towards any tangible policies to achieve those ends. More often than not, they become negotiatory sacrifical pawns.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Oh don't get me wrong...they provide lip service to such progressive causes, but don't take any real steps towards any tangible policies to achieve those ends. More often than not, they become negotiatory sacrifical pawns.

Who are "they" which fit this image you have here?

The rest I deleted, we are drifting off topic.

 

[Susheel]

Pelosi?
Biden?

 

[Segnosaur]

Pelosi?
Biden?

Keep in mind that Biden is constrained in what he can do by congress and the courts.

He may not have been offering "completely free college" like someone like Sanders wanted, but he proposed 2 years of free college (which is an improvement over what you have now). And he wants to cancel student loan debt but because the Democrats do not have reliable control over congress (and right wing judges might attack any executive orders he tries to use) he is limited in what he can do.

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[Beelzebuddy]

[Biden] is limited in what he can do.

That would be a better argument if we hadn't recently had four years of a Republican administration which was similarly limited in what it could do, only to do it anyway and make the debate about limitations to what they could be kept from doing. It isn't necessary to go as far as needing a "Criminal Charges Against Biden / Biden Indicted Part II" thread, but a teeny bit of that same ****-you energy on our side for once would go a long way. Yet Dark Brandon keeps changing back into Uncle Joe every time he passes a malt shop.

It's like, a Democrat and a Republican are playing chess. The Republican flips the board over and calls the Democrat's mother a whore. The Democrat, Biden in this case, calmly picks the board back up, reassembles the state of play entirely from memory, makes a move and declares "check." An impressive feat, to be sure, but what's it get you? He's just going to flip it again.

 

[gnome]

If the "game" has an audience, and the consequences of it affected the audience, it would certainly have a good chance of shaping the opinion of those paying attention.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

"Let's just smugly cross our arms and let the opposition make asses of themselves instead of taking action to stop them hurting people, surely that will in no way reflect badly on us" is how we got into this mess in the first place.

 

[shemp]

If the "game" has an audience, and the consequences of it affected the audience, it would certainly have a good chance of shaping the opinion of those paying attention.

Except that a big chunk of the audience is convinced that the Democrat is cheating and want to throw him in prison for imagined offenses.

 

[alfaniner]

Mar-a-Lago pool flood raises suspicions among prosecutors in Trump classified documents case

An employee at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence drained the resort’s swimming pool last October and ended up flooding a room where computer servers containing surveillance video logs were kept, sources familiar with the matter told CNN

I saw this today and I'm like, AYFKM? How the hell are we just hearing about this now? It was done last October!

I hope we start hearing "Let's talk about those 33,000 gallons" soon.

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I disagree.
Are you claiming centrist Democrats don't seek "better funding for education, healthcare, nutrition, and the like"?Your referring to centrist Democrats as 'soft-Republican' is a good example of what I'm talking about.

Oh don't get me wrong...they provide lip service to such progressive causes, but don't take any real steps towards any tangible policies to achieve those ends. More often than not, they become negotiatory sacrifical pawns.

Pelosi?
Biden?

Education:

The National Education Association seems to disagree with you:

We have seen the Biden administration make historic investments in students and public schools and take action to make America stronger, safer, and healthier for all. President Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris have improved the lives of our students and families.

You can find a list of the several education associated actions by Biden's administration.
Canceling Up to $20,000 in Federal Student Loans for Tens of Millions of Americans: blocked by GOP lawsuits and SC which will rule by June 30 on it.

HEALTHCARE:
Affordable Care Act
Cancer Moonshot
Biden’s Latest Executive Order Gives Additional Support to Family Caregivers and Long-Term Care Workers

Formula Act
Funding to Combat AIDS, Malaria, and Tuberculosis
HR 6331 - Medicare Bill
$35 Cap on Insulin for Medicare
Inflation Reduction Act extends subsidies to ACA, all vaccines covered under Medicare Part D are completely free, caps out-of-pocket spending on prescription drugs to $2,000 a year starting in 2025 on Medicare Part D, requires Medicare to negotiate the cost of 10 high-cost prescription drugs beginning in 2026, with additional drugs added in future years.
Safer Communities Act which provides roughly $10 billion in funding for mental healthcare, the largest-ever investment in America’s mental healthcare system. Most of that funding will go towards expanding certified community behavioral health clinics in every state.

Would you like more examples of Biden's "lip service" and no "real steps" to the areas you mentioned? May I remind you that Pelosi supported all the above and helped get them passed through Congress?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Pelosi?
Biden?

Oh for pity's sake! Neither of those 2 fit your description of they, not even by a long shot.

 

[gnome]

Except that a big chunk of the audience is convinced that the Democrat is cheating and want to throw him in prison for imagined offenses.

At a certain point chess is no longer really the game, then. In the Real life analogy, I see that as the point where rule of law fails utterly and we must resort to armed violence to defend ourselves in the absence of any meaningful law. I don't think we're there yet. I hope we never get there. What we need is to make sure the "refereeing" holds, something that I saw significant and effective effort towards in the 2020 election.

 

[acbytesla]

Trump will be indicted by Jack Smith in the Mar a Lago document case this week. Tuesday of next week at the latest.

 

[Stacyhs]

Trump will be indicted by Jack Smith in the Mar a Lago document case this week. Tuesday of next week at the latest.

While I hope this is true, on what do you base this?

 

[acbytesla]

While I hope this is true, on what do you base this?

They reconvened the Grand Jury. There are no bombshell witnesses left. Jack Smith met with Trump attorneys today. This was a courtesy. Smith will present his case to the Grand Jury and they will indict Trump.