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Split Thread Atheism and lack of belief in the afterlife

psionl0 said:
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Here is an image of non-random forces resulting in random events that when repeated over billions of years will result in genetic mutations that when combined with environmental constraints and pressures and more millions of years will bring about a caveman who will worship the local earth eruptions (volcanoes) and call them god and later less ignorant men will worship the solar flares too... and not much later and not much less ignorant men will develop the intelligent design/forces "theory"

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psionl0 said:
You have denied that there is anything random about evolution. That means that the universe must be deterministic.

And that is a true dichotomy.
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So you think an "intelligent force" is responsible for this


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psionl0 said:
You have denied that there is anything random about evolution. That means that the universe must be deterministic.

And that is a true dichotomy.
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No it's not. The universe could be nondeterministic and still nonrandom. Is the decimal expansion of pi a random sequence? Your binary of "if nonrandom therefore deterministic" is completely false.

If the universe were deterministic, that would in fact be strong circumstantial evidence of an intelligent designer.
 
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arthwollipot said:
No it's not. The universe could be nondeterministic and still nonrandom. Is the decimal expansion of pi a random sequence? Your binary of "if nonrandom therefore deterministic" is completely false.
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Stop trying to eat your cake and have it too.

Pi is totally deterministic. The digits may appear to be random to somebody who has not see pi before but each digit in each decimal place is fully determined.

arthwollipot said:
If the universe were deterministic, that would in fact be strong circumstantial evidence of an intelligent designer.
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That would explain why you are so desperate to avoid that word.

But it doesn't explain why you are SO illogical that you won't allow randomness to be a part of the "non-deterministic" world.
 
psionl0 said:
... be prepared for newer, better theories to come along.
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I will bet anything that this is not what you mean by "better theories"... and you will of course keep looking for a better Emperor's new clothing with which to clad the old God DID IT wishful thinking... no?

Did Solar Flares Cook Up Life on Earth?
Researchers at NASA have found that when the Sun was half a billion years old, large solar flares—larger than any recorded by humans—could have changed the very chemistry of Earth’s atmosphere. What’s more, bombardment of the planet by high-energy particles from those jets of superhot solar plasma might have prompted organic molecules considered precursors to life to form from simpler inorganic molecules then abundant on primordial Earth.
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psionl0 said:
You have denied that there is anything random about evolution. That means that the universe must be deterministic.
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Of course, because there's no way a single universe which looks at first glance like it contains both random things and non-random things could contain both random things and non-random things! :rolleyes:

This is "just-playing-a-character-to-pull-everybody-else's-legs"-level gobbledigook.
 
psionl0 said:
You have denied that there is anything random about evolution. That means that the universe must be deterministic.

And that is a true dichotomy.
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There is randomness in the mutations which provide the raw material upon which natural selection acts, but natural selection itself is not random.

Had a few cosmic rays or radioactive emissions happened to encounter different segments of DNA during the last billion years the lifeforms that now exist might well look different. But their complexity would still not be the result of either random chance or intelligent design.
 
psionl0 said:
But it doesn't explain why you are SO illogical that you won't allow randomness to be a part of the "non-deterministic" world.
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Did I ever say that there was no randomness in the universe? No, I didn't. I said that evolution was not random.

Pixel42 said:
There is randomness in the mutations which provide the raw material upon which natural selection acts, but natural selection itself is not random.
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Only to a certain extent. As Skeptic Ginger said, mutation itself isn't exactly random. It's random in that you can't tell precisely when or where it will happen, but the types of mutations that are possible are pretty tightly constrained by the biology of it all.
 
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