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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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Bogative said:
I remember the incident well, it made national and worldwide headlines for a very long time. It was even used against Bush during the election campaign.

The mass shooting being discussed is barely a blip on anyone's radar. Because reasons.
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Reason. Because not enough people died. Your society is so sick and overly supplied with weapons of death that most of the mass shootings (more than 150 this year already) hardly merit a mention. Too many deluded people of every persuasion who reach for their gun when things go a little wrong in their life.
 
catsmate said:
Michigan university shooter appears to be an "incel" :rolleyes:
Also he bought the ammunition just prior to the shooting and had a prior weapons conviction.
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This was another mass shooting that was worthy of noting, it started out as a high profile shooting in the media. Why wouldn't it, an active shooter walking around a major US university campus randomly killing people, it's the kind of event that draws major media attention?

Rather quickly, the story just started being widely ignored – 'swept under the rug', if you will. Why would the coverage of a mass shooting like this go away so quickly? Hmmm, hard to imagine.



Let's see if "The Guardian" can shed a little light on this mystery.
Additionally, authorities said, the murderer had no personal or professional connection to the school, making his motive a mystery to them, despite his leaving a note which – among other things – complained about feeling rejected and not having sex during the last decade.
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Well, I guess the shooter being an "InCel" could be his motivation, it's a mystery to the cops despite the shooter leaving behind a note. The article linked above certainly infers that is his motivation. Who are we, as skeptics, to doubt an unbiased, straight-as-an-arrow rag like "The Guardian"?



"The Guardian" provides a link from the MSU police, maybe we can find a reason for their inference there? Nope, not in that statement. However, the MSU police were kind enough to also provide a link with images of the shooters note that "The Guardian" mentioned. Let's see what the shooter says:

  • I'm tired of being rejected
  • 10 years since I had sex
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There it is in black in white. The shooter was lonely and horny, that's the motivation. Case closed. Add this mass shooting to the "involuntary celibate" category?




Not so fast, I have a little free time, shall we see what the "other things" highlighted above are? I mean why not, surely "The Guardian" did not miss or leave out any possible clues or reasons for the shooters motivation. As "skeptics" it's the skeptical thing to do, to not accept what the media tells us with 100% faith. Maybe we can find the answer to my first two questions in this thread as well.

What else did the shooter have to say:

  • My home town lovely **** all you racist mother *******
  • Everywhere I go people treat me different
  • I don't want to be a American African
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Not surprising that "The Guardian" left out these tidbits, it's just as likely this was a racially motivated mass shooting as it was an "incel" shooting.

It was widely reported on social media that the shooter was a black man as the attack was occurring, that's why the story disappeared from relevance so quickly.

I'm glad I could be of service, no need to thank me.
 
Bogative said:
This was another mass shooting that was worthy of noting, it started out as a high profile shooting in the media. Why wouldn't it, an active shooter walking around a major US university campus randomly killing people, it's the kind of event that draws major media attention?

Rather quickly, the story just started being widely ignored – 'swept under the rug', if you will. Why would the coverage of a mass shooting like this go away so quickly? Hmmm, hard to imagine.



Let's see if "The Guardian" can shed a little light on this mystery.


Well, I guess the shooter being an "InCel" could be his motivation, it's a mystery to the cops despite the shooter leaving behind a note. The article linked above certainly infers that is his motivation. Who are we, as skeptics, to doubt an unbiased, straight-as-an-arrow rag like "The Guardian"?



"The Guardian" provides a link from the MSU police, maybe we can find a reason for their inference there? Nope, not in that statement. However, the MSU police were kind enough to also provide a link with images of the shooters note that "The Guardian" mentioned. Let's see what the shooter says:



There it is in black in white. The shooter was lonely and horny, that's the motivation. Case closed. Add this mass shooting to the "involuntary celibate" category?




Not so fast, I have a little free time, shall we see what the "other things" highlighted above are? I mean why not, surely "The Guardian" did not miss or leave out any possible clues or reasons for the shooters motivation. As "skeptics" it's the skeptical thing to do, to not accept what the media tells us with 100% faith. Maybe we can find the answer to my first two questions in this thread as well.

What else did the shooter have to say:



Not surprising that "The Guardian" left out these tidbits, it's just as likely this was a racially motivated mass shooting as it was an "incel" shooting.

It was widely reported on social media that the shooter was a black man as the attack was occurring, that's why the story disappeared from relevance so quickly.

I'm glad I could be of service, no need to thank me.
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None of what you have said negates the fact that easy access to guns is a huge problem in the US.
 
Susheel said:
I am well aware of what the Bogative's intended claim is. I just think introducing a racial component to mass shooting and indulging in serial whataboutism is just a strategy to divert from the real issue.
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There is no doubt that one of the issues is access to guns. The bigger issues are, in no order of magnitude, people who live in America, their sense of "self", their entitlement and their attitude to human life. These all contribute toward the epidemic.
 
Let's note that racists aren't complaining about black shooters. They're rejoicing and applauding. They seem to hope that black shootings continue and multiply. Back of their hope and glee is a fantasy about a coming race war, when Aryan Man applies a final solution to this problem of Nyouknowwhoimtalkingabouts running free. Think Turner Diaries, which in racist hearts is a unique species of literature, not quite fiction and almost true, prophecy in suspension.

It's their version of fantasizing about American psychology instead of concentrating on workable firearms regulation.
 
Susheel said:
I am well aware of what the Bogative's intended claim is. I just think introducing a racial component to mass shooting and indulging in serial whataboutism is just a strategy to divert from the real issue.
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Maybe if the media didn't treat the overwhelming majority of mass shootings as a taboo subject, more Americans would be aware of how bad the problem actually is and do something about it. I won't hold my breath because most people don't like to be accused of racism for discussing facts.
 
America erwachte!

Bogative said:
Maybe if the media didn't treat the overwhelming majority of mass shootings as a taboo subject, more Americans would be aware of how bad the problem actually is and do something about it. I won't hold my breath because most people don't like to be accused of racism for discussing facts.
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"Doing something" is weasel talk! Let's hear about the genuine action this country of yours and mine needs to take! Let's see some nitty and some gritty!

And if somebody accuses you of racialistic racism, you can tell 'em to smell your shoes!

That's always my comeback, & it really works good here on the intranet.
 
alfaniner said:
We all know what the most important thing will be in the discussion of this case, at least from Repugnicans. Did the guy enter the country on Biden's watch?
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They'll find a way to blame Biden no matter when he crossed. NPR now reporting police have the vile pos surrounded.
 
Bogative said:
Maybe if the media didn't treat the overwhelming majority of mass shootings as a taboo subject, more Americans would be aware of how bad the problem actually is and do something about it. I won't hold my breath because most people don't like to be accused of racism for discussing facts.
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More than 150 mass shootings so far this year. Here in Scotland we know about this. If your population in America don't it is wilful ignorance of a sick, overly armed society.
 
Rene Arevalo Sr, who lives a few houses down, said he heard gunshots around midnight but didn't think anything of it.
"It's a normal thing people do around here, especially on Fridays after work," Mr Arevalo said.
"They get home and start drinking in their backyards and shooting out there."
A few months ago, Mr Arevalo said Mr Oropeza threatened to kill his dog after it got loose in the neighbourhood and chased the pit bull in his truck.
"I tell my wife all the time, 'Stay away from the neighbours. Don't argue with them. You never know how they're going to react'," Mr Arevalo said.
"I tell her that because Texas is a state where you don't know who has a gun and who is going to react that way."

Sheriff Capers said his deputies had been to Mr Oropeza's home at least once before and spoken with him about "shooting his gun in the yard".
It was not clear whether any action was taken at the time.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04...pect-could-be-anywhere-sheriff-says/102285010
 
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