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Cont: General UK Politics III - Dumb and Dumber

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P.J. Denyer said:
It's also sure to lead to delays at the polling stations & I wonder if this is deliberate too, it's going to effect busier, urban areas more than rural ones, people working contracted hours worse than those who can set their own schedules (due to seniority or retirement) and carers or people with young children. Not to mention of course that older people have traditionally been more likely to have a postal vote already.
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I'm 58, been voting for 40 years. Only once, have I experienced any delay. That was for the Brexit referendum. All of five minutes.
 
Ian Osborne said:
Yeah, a single printed A4 sheet that's supposed to last you ten years. I was underwhelmed.

I suppose they're trying not to make it look too much like an identity card.
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Not that anyone needs to do much - if for whatever reason you wanted to vote with a fake ID or as someone else just pay someone down the pub £50 to get a fake blue badge.

I'm hoping but doubt that the next government if not Tory will repeal it. It's a totally unneeded expense and inconvenience.
 
The Common Potato said:
I'm 58, been voting for 40 years. Only once, have I experienced any delay. That was for the Brexit referendum. All of five minutes.
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Well sometimes had to wait a whole minute or so, usually takes more time to park up than wait. And I've voted in central London as well as semi-rural areas with the same experience. I recall was it in 1997 there was an issue in some areas with the 10pm cut off point and queues?
 
KDLarsen said:
Add to that the knowledge that even the effect of this particular voter suppression tactic won't be known.

The Guardian: Election greeters mean voter ID impact may not be known, Labour says
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From that article:

There is also criticism that the plan is a waste of time and resources targeting a virtually nonexistent problem, with recent statistics showing there was not a single proven case of in-person voter impersonation last year.
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How much will this have cost indirectly via the government and for individuals to stop a non-existent problem. You'd almost think this was simply a political exercise to play to certain media stories.
 
Darat said:
It's gerrymandering on a national scale. Look at what is acceptable ID, you will note that most ID accepted is what the "more likely to vote Tory" folk will have.
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Like my Pensioner's Bus Pass. Shame I'm one of the awkward squad - ie NotATory...
 
Ian Osborne said:
I wonder how long it will be before you can enter your details online and print one out yourself?
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Well, a long time ago, when I worked for the Public Trustee, companies started printing share certificates on special paper so that they couldn't be forged.

Forgeries started coming out of Hong Kong (iirc) a bit over a month later...
 
When I first started voting, I was somewhat astonished that I could show up at the polling station and vote without any id at all. It seemed like an obvious way to rig an election.

However, experience shows that voter fraud at polling stations is not a big deal. I expect this is because, if you are serious about rigging an election, physically showing up to impersonate another voter doesn't scale and carries a risk: you might bump into somebody who knows the real person.
 
jeremyp said:
When I first started voting, I was somewhat astonished that I could show up at the polling station and vote without any id at all. It seemed like an obvious way to rig an election.

However, experience shows that voter fraud at polling stations is not a big deal. I expect this is because, if you are serious about rigging an election, physically showing up to impersonate another voter doesn't scale and carries a risk: you might bump into somebody who knows the real person.
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I've clerked, personation is vanishing rare and very difficult to pull off.
 
catsmate said:
I've clerked, personation is vanishing rare and very difficult to pull off.
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I've only been the other side, but given that they are local and don't serve that many people, I would imagine there would be quite a chance of being spotted, and one would also have to vote several times to have any chance of making a difference.

So that's not surprising
 
catsmate said:
I've clerked, personation is vanishing rare and very difficult to pull off.
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https://www.electoralcommission.org...nd-research/our-research/electoral-fraud-data

"In the past 5 years, there is no evidence of large-scale electoral fraud.
Of the 1,386 cases of alleged electoral fraud reported to police between 2018 and 2022, 9 led to convictions and the police issued 6 cautions."

IME of working at many polling stations as a cop over the years, mistakes, such as crossing out the wrong name & people with relatives polling cards claiming they will vote for them happen very occasionally. I saw a lady, fed up with her husband chatting, grab his vote, mark it and put it in the ballot box. She got a warning.

There is no doubt voter ID is a Tory ploy to try and help marginal consistencies by disenfranchising people less likely to vote for them. It is another example of corruption normalised by them.
 
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