Fox News knew they were lying about election

Darat said:
Apart from the payment and in future some people being more careful what they put in writing this will not change anything for Fox.
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Well...they will try not to do anything different themselves. But their audience is changing, and a lot of people are wising up to being taken for a ride by them. The question is: Who will they jump to? Sober, informed sources? Or the screeching fascist nutbars like OAN.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Well...they will try not to do anything different themselves. But their audience is changing, and a lot of people are wising up to being taken for a ride by them. The question is: Who will they jump to? Sober, informed sources? Or the screeching fascist nutbars like OAN.
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Which is exactly what they did starting when FOX called AZ for Trump. Even Dear Leader is calling for the Faithful to switch: “@FoxNews weekend afternoons is the worst! Getting into @CNN and MSDNC territory. Watch @OANN & @newsmax instead. Much better!”
 
JoeMorgue said:
Fox News deliberately lied about the American Electoral Process in order to get someone who didn't win the election into office. This is a fact and it is not in dispute.
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It is very much in dispute. Based on what was released from Carlson's chats, you are only half right.

They lied, sure. But it was not to get someone elected into office.

Carlson's recording makes it clear that they lied because they were afraid of losing ratings to other conservative outlets. They lied out of pure greed. They couldn't care less who was in office.

dudalb said:
I just cannot understand people who only go to one source for their news.
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It's actually very simple. You sort of have a similar confusion to cause and effect here.

Carlson's recordings make it clear that he flat out says he knows the reason people watch them is because they want to hear that and if he won't say that, the people will go to someone else like OANN.

Hasan Minhaj put it perfectly on the daily show
But above all, Minhaj said, the text that really “freaked” him out was the one from Tucker Carlson, who argued that Fox News had to back Trump’s lies more in order to compete with even wackier conservative outlets like Newsmax.

“Do you understand what he’s saying here?” Minhaj asked. “He’s saying, ‘If I don’t say this ********, my viewers will leave me.’ This whole time we thought Fox News was manipulating its viewers. But it turns out the viewers were manipulating Fox News.”
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People don't watch it to learn new things - they watch it to get confirmation on their already established bias. And Fox understood that more than anyone.
 
Smartmatic is both in a better and worse situation than Dominion was: for one, the lies and reckless disregard for the rules are more blatant, as Smartmatic is a much smaller outfit, only operating in a tiny part of the country. That makes it very credible for the company to not be considered a Public Person.
OTOH, Fox and the other miscreants probably mentioned them way less than they did Dominion. And, of course, their net worth is smaller, too.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Smartmatic is both in a better and worse situation than Dominion was: for one, the lies and reckless disregard for the rules are more blatant, as Smartmatic is a much smaller outfit, only operating in a tiny part of the country. That makes it very credible for the company to not be considered a Public Person.OTOH, Fox and the other miscreants probably mentioned them way less than they did Dominion. And, of course, their net worth is smaller, too.
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As a manufacturer of voting systems, you put yourself up for examination and criticism. That doesn't mean you get to lie out your ass about them, but they don't get the honor of hiding away like grandma in her 1940 bungalow.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Smartmatic is both in a better and worse situation than Dominion was: for one, the lies and reckless disregard for the rules are more blatant, as Smartmatic is a much smaller outfit, only operating in a tiny part of the country. That makes it very credible for the company to not be considered a Public Person.
OTOH, Fox and the other miscreants probably mentioned them way less than they did Dominion. And, of course, their net worth is smaller, too.
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So, only 200 million?
 
Right now the rhetoric is that Fox was "forced to pay" the millions. I think ultimately, Dominion was forced to accept the millions.
 
TragicMonkey said:
I don't understand why FOX even fought it, they could have just openly admitted "Yeah, we lie all the time" and 99.9% of their viewers will still vote for whichever Republican they're told to. America is post-truth. Reality doesn't matter, if it ever did.
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I've just about given up on the basket of deplorables to my south. I only hope we can innoculate ourselves up here against the same kind of widespread stupid.

At 60, I'm grateful in a way that I'm on the back side of my time on this rock. Will I get to check out in peace before it all goes to hell?
 
crescent said:
Maybe - but that impact seems to have been short lived. The recent NY Trump indictments well document strong cooperation between Trump and that very same Enquirer. Lots of "catch and kill" strategy from the Enquirer on Trump's behalf. The newspaper effectively colluded with Trump in non-reporting of campaign expenses.

I expect little change from Fox. Their reporters seem to be banned from stating the actual amount of the payoff. They'll be less likely to falsely name specific people of companies of specific crimes.

But they'll be happy to be just a little less specific. Instead of saying "Dominion did this and Symantec did that they'll instead just say that "Dominion and Symtanec and other companies did this wobbly accusation". Then they can fall back on claiming that the accusation was too general to specifically indict any specific person or company and was therefore fine. Or fall back on "Sources say" and making a habit of deliberately failing to do any due diligence at all so they can just blame the "sources" for false information.

So Fox lost about a half a year's profits. That and minor tweaks on how they lie will be the only real change.

Worse - even if they did change, new "news" sources would fill the void. It in ingrained in our culture now. Remember when people thought the solution was to get O'Reilly and Limbaugh off the air? To get Fox to drop Beck? To get Radio stations to drop Alex Jones? None of it worked. O'Reilly's off the air, Limbaugh is dead. Jones and Beck found new outlets to keep spewing and they still have millions of listeners. Tucker and others rose to fill the gaps left by Rush and Bill's exit.

I am very cynical abut all of this. The paranoid and superstitious part of American culture is alive and well and will always find ways to screw up the world.
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It all comes down to the people making up a society. America has enough stupid to put the likes of a Trump in the oval office, and to sacrifice ten 9/11s worth of souls per year in senseless gun violence. Practically the definition of a ****-hole country.
 
Beerina said:
As a manufacturer of voting systems, you put yourself up for examination and criticism. That doesn't mean you get to lie out your ass about them, but they don't get the honor of hiding away like grandma in her 1940 bungalow.
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not necessarily.
Dominion reserved the right to claim that they are not a Public Figure, and Fox didn't claim that they are.
 
Susheel said:
The problem with pigs is, they like mud. This is not going to dent Fox in any way.
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Because a nation with such a glut of deplorables who demand their fix of lies and fantasy will well keep a propaganda outlet nicely in the money. And in America, the land of toxic capitalism, the Almighy Dollar rules over all. Slain classrooms of little gradeschoolers, even after their active shooter drills to no avail, are a damning indictment of this national sickness that cannot induce a scintilla of shame.
 
Susheel said:
Right now the rhetoric is that Fox was "forced to pay" the millions. I think ultimately, Dominion was forced to accept the millions.
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Considering FOX news wanted to pay zero, I think the former is closer. It's clear from the unprecedented amount (even if it should be higher) who had the stronger case. This is not "shut up your bullcrap and go away before you embarrass yourself in court" money.
 
Susheel said:
Right now the rhetoric is that Fox was "forced to pay" the millions. I think ultimately, Dominion was forced to accept the millions.
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To poke at a different angle from Lawrence O'Donnell's and gnome's - for those who were hoping for Dominion (or any other similar voting machine companies) to be some champion of truth and democracy and somehow get a public and full airing of Fox's lies on Fox, it's worth remembering that voting machine companies have been all about profit all along, given behavior. Not really about truth, democracy, or whatever other higher principle we may wish were being upheld. Trying to argue that Dominion was forced to accept the millions feels like it's not taking that into account.
 
Aridas said:
To poke at a different angle from Lawrence O'Donnell's and gnome's - for those who were hoping for Dominion (or any other similar voting machine companies) to be some champion of truth and democracy and somehow get a public and full airing of Fox's lies on Fox, it's worth remembering that voting machine companies have been all about profit all along, given behavior. Not really about truth, democracy, or whatever other higher principle we may wish were being upheld. Trying to argue that Dominion was forced to accept the millions feels like it's not taking that into account.
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To make a profit they have to be able to sell a product that is fit for purpose.
 
To poke at a bit more of the aftermath -

Fox News wants you to cover the $787 million cost of its lies

Short version - Fox is demanding high cable and satellite fees, the kind that are paid by every subscriber, whether they ever turn to Fox or not. Also, they're likely looking at potentially hundreds of millions in tax breaks for legal fees. Oh, and the likelihood that people watch Fox seems completely unaffected.
 
Aridas said:
To poke at a different angle from Lawrence O'Donnell's and gnome's - for those who were hoping for Dominion (or any other similar voting machine companies) to be some champion of truth and democracy and somehow get a public and full airing of Fox's lies on Fox, it's worth remembering that voting machine companies have been all about profit all along, given behavior. Not really about truth, democracy, or whatever other higher principle we may wish were being upheld. Trying to argue that Dominion was forced to accept the millions feels like it's not taking that into account.
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In my opinion, the long term economic health of Dominion was best served by getting Fox to publicly, loudly and repeatedly proclaim they lied about Dominion and that the 2020 election was fairly run.

By taking just the money, my guess is that the funds that own it will siphon off all the cash and look to sell before Dominion collapses as a result.
 
Can't find a thread for it, so this can go here, being Fox-related.

Lachlan Murdoch appears to have withdrawn a defamation lawsuit he'd launched against Crikey.

Crikey had written an article titled "Trump is a confirmed unhinged traitor. And Murdoch is his unindicted co-conspirator"

Murdoch claimed that the article [quote from link] "conveyed a meaning that he illegally conspired with Trump to "incite a mob with murderous intent to march on the Capitol" in Washington DC on January 6.
"In its defence, Crikey says Murdoch was "morally and ethically culpable" for the attack on the Capitol."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/l...t-crikey/ea5625e4-3dc1-4347-897f-c2a8c3a868c0
 
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