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The DeSantis gambit

quadraginta said:
What legal barriers prevented other businesses from engaging in similar arrangements if they had something of sufficient value to offer?
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Ziggurat said:
The RCID was created specifically by an act of the Florida legislature. Only a legislative act could create another such entity. The legislature has never granted any other company the same benefits, and is unlikely to ever do so again.
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In other words ... nothing.
 
Ziggurat said:
I wouldn't assume that Disney has the upper hand here. On paper, there is no legal conflict between Disney and Florida, only between the Reedy Creek Improvement District and Florida. RCID is legally supposed to be independent of Disney. If that turns out not to be the case, and Iger appears to have just admitted that it's not, that's a major problem for Disney.

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What exactly did Iger say that he shouldn't have?
 
I don't know what Iger did that he shouldn't have but I'm pretty sure DeSantis shouldn't have done this...

During his remarks in Michigan, Ron DeSantis confirmed that the attacks were explicitly because Disney spoke out against his bill.

“We just had to look at this and say, ‘OK, do they have a quote, First Amendment right to be advocating for gender ideology in Kindergarten? Yeah, I guess. Is that honestly faithful to their fiduciary duty to their shareholders? I don’t think so.”

DeSantis continued, “But that’s not really in my wheelhouse as Governor, but what I can tell you as Governor is that under no circumstances should the state of Florida be subsidizing woke activism by allowing them to have their own government. So we took it away.”

https://insidethemagic.net/2023/04/...disney-bpb-iger-dont-say-gay-reedy-creek-jh1/
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DeSantis to punish taxpayers to get even with Disney.

“But now that Disney has reopened this issue, we’re not just going to void the development agreement they tried to do, we’re going to look at things like taxes on the hotels, we’re going to look at things like tolls on the roads,” he said.

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The Legislature passed a bill in February that stripped the company of control of the special Reedy Creek district after more than 50 years and allowed DeSantis to appoint its board. But in the last meeting of the outgoing board on Feb. 8, its members quietly approved a 30-year development agreement and restrictive covenants with Disney designed to be in place for decades.

The deals were publicly issued in legal notices, and DeSantis’ handpicked board members conceded they essentially left them powerless to manage future development.

Raising hotel taxes or putting tolls on roads will hurt consumers, not Disney, said state Rep. Anna Eskamani, D-Orlando.

“It’s hitting a point of absurdity,” she said. “It is not creating an even playing field. It’s about DeSantis looking big and bad next to Disney.”

If DeSantis wants accountability, he should urge the Legislature to pass combined reporting for corporate income taxes that would prevent corporations from using tax-avoiding accounting tricks, Eskamani said.

Disney could challenge DeSantis and the Legislature in court if they move to void the development agreement on the grounds that they are invalidating an existing contract, said Jacob Schumer, a Central Florida attorney who specializes in local government law. If lawmakers single out Disney, the corporation could also argue that the action violates the equal-protection clause, he said.

“If the Legislature is targeting an existing contract and specifically impairs the contract, that is a constitutional problem,” Schumer said. “Going back and voiding a contract would be very difficult to defend in court. I would think Disney would have a much stronger case.”

It’s also possible that the state could argue the agreement wasn’t done in accordance with state law. Schumer said he hasn’t found anything in his review that the state could use to get the contract voided.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/pol...0230407-5edgygdxb5hytdzyxztwxovzwa-story.html
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Actually the stupid crap with the special district is among the least of the bad things De Santis has done ( I think Disney never should have been given the privilages in the first place) ;His attacks on freedom of speech and his book banning are much,much, worse.
 
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ANd that sound you hear is hundreds of Florida businessmen closing their wallets as far as giving money to De Santis is concerned
His hotel tax and road toll ideas would devastate Florida business.
he has truly gone bonkers; he is alientaing his most important backers..who might not be his backers much longer.
Yes, he says he will target Disney but he will still scare the hell out of a lot of Florida businessmen for fear they might be next.
It is all bluster, though: Any such law would not survive long in court; you can't targer a specific buisness like that with Taxes or fees.
 
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As with all of the far-right nasties, they have no ******* idea what the word "socialism" means, nor what socialism is as a concept. It's just a handy swear-word they trot out for people, events or things they are told they don't like, same as "communist" and "COMMIE!" So they don't know that Social Security or Medicare or even funding their police and military all involve essentially socialist principles. That whooshing sound is the point going WAY over their pin heads.
 
Norman Alexander said:
As with all of the far-right nasties, they have no ******* idea what the word "socialism" means, nor what socialism is as a concept. It's just a handy swear-word they trot out for people, events or things they are told they don't like, same as "communist" and "COMMIE!" So they don't know that Social Security or Medicare or even funding their police and military all involve essentially socialist principles. That whooshing sound is the point going WAY over their pin heads.
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I think you may be giving most leaders too much credit. If they really don't know what those words mean, they may be the bellwethers, but they're still sheep. I think they are the wolves, who know.
 
bruto said:
I think you may be giving most leaders too much credit. If they really don't know what those words mean, they may be the bellwethers, but they're still sheep. I think they are the wolves, who know.
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I think we're seeing the rise of a strange hybrid. "Sheep" that have enough influence to gain power and promote their point of view, but also conditioned to deflect or reject information that calls it into question. Willful ignorance allowing them to become the wolves while they could pass a lie detector test, if such a thing was reliable, about how sincere they are.
 
gnome said:
I think we're seeing the rise of a strange hybrid. "Sheep" that have enough influence to gain power and promote their point of view, but also conditioned to deflect or reject information that calls it into question. Willful ignorance allowing them to become the wolves while they could pass a lie detector test, if such a thing was reliable, about how sincere they are.
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We have it on very good authority* that lie detector tests are too unreliable, and people shouldn't take them.

(* Justice Clarence Thomas)

Of course that may only apply to Supreme Court Justice candidates, and not the hoi polloi.
 
Norman Alexander said:
As with all of the far-right nasties, they have no ******* idea what the word "socialism" means, nor what socialism is as a concept. It's just a handy swear-word they trot out for people, events or things they are told they don't like, same as "communist" and "COMMIE!" So they don't know that Social Security or Medicare or even funding their police and military all involve essentially socialist principles. That whooshing sound is the point going WAY over their pin heads.
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The core concept of Socialism is social ownership rather than private ownership of the means of production. A member run co-op would be socialist, so would a government run factory. Funding social services on the other hand isn't Socialist unless the government provides the service directly rather than paying a private company to do it.

Social security isn't really a service, Medicare doesn't provide medical services directly so neither of these is truly socialist in nature. Police and military services, on the other hand are provided directly by the government instead of being contracted out to private mercenaries, so i think you could make a case for them being Socialist.

FWIW DeSantis wanting government to run the improvement zone and be the provider of services to Disney is Socialist in nature, and Socialist in the worst way. The problem with government directly providing goods and services is that government failures can often make the services less efficient. In most cases this is accidental, but lets face it, providing more expensive less efficient services to Disney is the whole point.
 
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