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Merged What the quran really says.

A or B, or take your choice.

Scorpion said:
So! Is anyone going to actually discuss the Quran here. Or are you all just going to keep talking a lot of trash?
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Or you can take my choice. Heck, I'm not using it.

'Tis not a boring old binary situation Scorpion. We can conduct trashy discussions of the Queer'an while eating beer nuts and tasting cider.
 
Scorpion said:
So! Is anyone going to actually discuss the Quran here. Or are you all just going to keep talking a lot of trash?
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People are responding to what you have posted, there is an obscure book that mentions motes and beams and eyes, might be a lesson in that for you?
 
Darat said:
People are responding to what you have posted, there is an obscure book that mentions motes and beams and eyes, might be a lesson in that for you?
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I don't care what it says in the bible. it has been well criticized by experts for
hundreds of years. But their has been very little work done on the Quran. There is a book by William Tisdall, 'The Original Sources Of The Quran' But I do not know if there are many modern books dismantling the unholy Quran, other than Robert Spencer's books.

Don't you think it might be advisable for people to know what it says in that book, considering the fact many Muslims stated aim is to turn Britain into an Islamic state.? Not to mention finding out why Muslims crashed air liners into the world trade center, and blew up tube trains and a bus in London in 2005

If anyone bothers to read the Quran they will find it says Gods curse is on everyone who does not believe in Muhammad's teachings, and that God will burn them in hell for all eternity. It teaches Muslims to despise unbelievers.

There are also verses like 8.12 which says ,' smite their necks' (with a sword) and 9.5 which says ,'slay the idolaters' and verse 5.33 which says enemies of Muhammad should be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on opposite sides cut off.
 
Scorpion said:
Christians and Jews do not want to take over the world.
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Christians literally had massive armies marching to kill infidels for centuries. Crusaders were told that they'd be guaranteed a place in Heaven if they killed but one infidel, either Muslim or Jew. Christians persecuted non-Christians in Europe for centuries. They bore crosses before them as they swept through the Americas slaughtering or enslaving the indigenous peoples, some even arguing that they weren't really human because they couldn't be descended from Adam and Eve. It's much easier to brutally conquer people if you rationalize them as having no souls, and therefore no real consciousness. And you can't be ignorant enough to think that there aren't many fundamentalist Christians who see the Christianization of the entire world as the end goal of their faith.

Even today, there are elements of Christianity writing highly biased books designed to demonize non-Christians in the eyes of ignorant, easily manipulated people with poor critical thinking skills.
 
Scorpion said:
THE MAYOR OF LONDON IS HAVING STREET NAMES CHANGED, AND STATUES TAKEN DOWN BECAUSE THEY ARE OFFENSIVE TO MUSLIMS.
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Examples, please. Are these street names and statues commemorating people who did awful things to Muslims?


HE ALSO APPEARS TO BE DELIBERATELY INSULTING THE BRITISH PEOPLE BY THINGS LIKE HAVING A STATUE PUT UP TO COMMEMORATE BLACK SLAVES TAKEN BY BRITAIN.
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How would a monument to memorialize the victims of such an appalling injustice be offensive to anyone but racists?
 
Scorpion said:
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You: ".... So! Is anyone going to actually discuss the Quran here. Or are you all just going to keep talking a lot of trash? ...."


Me: "...People are responding to what you have posted, ...."

If you don't want people to respond to your xenophobia and conspiracy theories then you shouldn't post about them...
 
Scorpion said:
So! Is anyone going to actually discuss the Quran here. Or are you all just going to keep talking a lot of trash?
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Questioning your credentials as one who is fit to teach anyone about the Quran isn't trash talk.

All you've done is read a couple of books by a notorious bigot and then decide that you're now an expert on the subject. It's no different than someone reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and then suddenly becoming passionately anti-Semitic.
 
The Mayor of London is doing a bloody good job. Removing things commemorating slavers and racists is a good thing no?

So is allowing freer access to abortion and other sexual health options, so I quite like the sound of Humza Yousaf too. Why do you think his being voted as first minister is anything to do with Muslims taking over Scotland?
 
Foster Zygote said:
And how do you know this?
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Because I have read the Quran all through twice twenty years ago and referred to it on a regular basis. I know what Spencer is saying is largely reliable and true, because I already came to the same conclusions myself years ago.
 
Scorpion said:
So! Is anyone going to actually discuss the Quran here. Or are you all just going to keep talking a lot of trash?
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:rolleyes: Says the person who spouted such gems as:
The London mayor is trying to erase our culture and import more Muslims.
There are many cities in England now with Muslim mayors. If you want I can give you a list.
Now Humza Yousaf is taking over Scotland.
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Now, where's your list of 'cities in England now with Muslim mayors". And don't just c&p the usual right-wing lies. This time.
 
Scorpion said:
Don't worry, Humza will fix the problem of children. he is committed to allowing abortion for any reason including sex discrimination, right up to full term before birth.

He also began his appointment with a speech complaining that all the people in charge in Scotland are white.
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Oh look, you're lying again. How typical.
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Scorpion said:
I don't care what it says in the bible. it has been well criticized by experts for
hundreds of years. But their has been very little work done on the Quran. There is a book by William Tisdall, 'The Original Sources Of The Quran' But I do not know if there are many modern books dismantling the unholy Quran, other than Robert Spencer's books.

Don't you think it might be advisable for people to know what it says in that book, considering the fact many Muslims stated aim is to turn Britain into an Islamic state.? Not to mention finding out why Muslims crashed air liners into the world trade center, and blew up tube trains and a bus in London in 2005

If anyone bothers to read the Quran they will find it says Gods curse is on everyone who does not believe in Muhammad's teachings, and that God will burn them in hell for all eternity. It teaches Muslims to despise unbelievers.

There are also verses like 8.12 which says ,' smite their necks' (with a sword) and 9.5 which says ,'slay the idolaters' and verse 5.33 which says enemies of Muhammad should be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on opposite sides cut off.
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:rolleyes:
Tisdall, like Spencer, was a religious bigot. His work is over a century old and considered useless by scholars.
Any support for your claim?
 
MarkCorrigan said:
The Mayor of London is doing a bloody good job. Removing things commemorating slavers and racists is a good thing no?

So is allowing freer access to abortion and other sexual health options, so I quite like the sound of Humza Yousaf too. Why do you think his being voted as first minister is anything to do with Muslims taking over Scotland?
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SPUC hate him, that's a good sign.
 
Foster Zygote said:
Christians literally had massive armies marching to kill infidels for centuries. Crusaders were told that they'd be guaranteed a place in Heaven if they killed but one infidel, either Muslim or Jew. Christians persecuted non-Christians in Europe for centuries. They bore crosses before them as they swept through the Americas slaughtering or enslaving the indigenous peoples, some even arguing that they weren't really human because they couldn't be descended from Adam and Eve. It's much easier to brutally conquer people if you rationalize them as having no souls, and therefore no real consciousness. And you can't be ignorant enough to think that there aren't many fundamentalist Christians who see the Christianization of the entire world as the end goal of their faith.

Even today, there are elements of Christianity writing highly biased books designed to demonize non-Christians in the eyes of ignorant, easily manipulated people with poor critical thinking skills.
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Oh! do me a favour, Muslims have taken over many countries and there was an item on the news recently that some Imam had come to Britain with the express purpose of turning Britain into an Islamic state.
Anjem Choudary has predicted Britain will be an Islamic state in thirty years. he has been quoted as saying when Islam takes over Muslims will come door to door determining if people are Muslim, and if not they will be eliminated.
In any case under sharia law people in a Muslim state who are not Muslims are expected to pay a tax to their Islamic rulers.

The Christian church has been the state religion since God knows when and we have one thousand year old Cathedrals. But church attendance is down
because people are turning to atheism. There is no advance of illegal Christian immigrants hell bent on turning us into Christians, but there are boat loads of illegals many of whom are undoubtedly Muslims. They throw away their papers and have been seen burning them in France before crossing the channel in boats, so they can lie about their origins.
 
Darat said:
You: ".... So! Is anyone going to actually discuss the Quran here. Or are you all just going to keep talking a lot of trash? ...."


Me: "...People are responding to what you have posted, ...."

If you don't want people to respond to your xenophobia and conspiracy theories then you shouldn't post about them...
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I am on topic of this thread. ' What the Quran really says' .Other people are taking it off topic, probably because they have not even read the Quran.
 
Scorpion said:
Because I have read the Quran all through twice twenty years ago and referred to it on a regular basis. I know what Spencer is saying is largely reliable and true, because I already came to the same conclusions myself years ago.
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And I've met so many radically fundamentalist Christians who have read the Bible cover to cover numerous times just in the last few years, and they all think that makes them authorities on what it really says. You may have read the Koran a couple of times two decades ago, but that doesn't stop you from cherry picking the worst parts and ignoring the other parts that contradict them.

I was wondering how someone could so easily parrot hate speech, but then I remembered I was reading the person who argued that a little girl must have done something to deserve being brutally raped and murdered. The thought of self-righteous bigots losing their **** over the decline of their white Christian dominance actually warms my heart. Just don't do anything stupid like hurt someone.
 
Scorpion said:
Lying my ass! there is a video on twitter of Humza's recent rant about the leaders of Scotland all being white.
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And? That sounds like a problem in a country where not everyone is white. I myself think it's a problem that 44 out of 45 U.S. presidents have been white, and 45 out of 45 have been men. Are you a white supremacist?
 
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