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Cont: Transwomen are not women - part XI

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d4m10n said:
I am quite skeptical of this. When Boudicca90 talked about being female, she talked about an array of characteristics rather than anything to do with social roles.


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Can you remember what sort of characteristics she mentioned?
 
Elaedith said:
New paper just out reporting on a survey of parents who believe their adolescent children have ROGD.

Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria: Parent Reports on 1655 Possible Cases
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I read the supplementary section which has 75 parents statements. There are some who support lesbian gay, bisexual and tran rights. Some of those are skeptical, cautious or unsure about their own child's transition. Ther are some who are supportive of lesbian, gay and bisexual rights but have a negative attitude to trans rights.

And there are some who are not supportive of lesbian, gay, bisexual or trans rights (mostly on religious grounds).

Not a single one was supportive of a transition and also displayed negative attitudes towards lesbians, gays or bisexuals.
 
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d4m10n said:
Scroll back to post #499 from the sixth iteration of the thread for a link.
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Thanks. The linked article supports what I said about transgender people not believing they could change their genetic makeup.
 
Robin said:
Thanks. The linked article supports what I said about transgender people not believing they could change their genetic makeup.
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Why didn't you quote what Boudica actually said:

My point is that by transitioning I am no longer physically male.
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Do you agree that Boudica had moved from no longer physically male?
 
LondonJohn said:
You're obviously unfamiliar with phrases such as "people with prostates" - which is a term that's used - correctly - when appealing for people to be tested for prostate cancer.
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Also known as "males."

Interestingly, I did a quick search on "who should be screeened for prostate cancer. Pretty much every result said "men" in certain age groups. this included the CDC, Mayo Clinic and American Cancer Society.

I didn't really find anything for "people with prostates." But I did find this:
The following people have a prostate:

men
trans women*
non-binary people who were assigned male at birth**
some intersex people.***

* A trans woman is someone who was assigned male at birth but identifies as a woman. Trans women can develop prostate problems, even if they have taken hormones. The prostate is not removed during genital reconstructive surgery.
** A non-binary person may not identify as a man or a woman.
*** An intersex person may have both male and female sexual characteristics and so might have a prostate.

Trans, non-binary or intersex?

The information on this website has been developed based on guidance and evidence in men. If you are a trans woman, male-assigned non-binary or intersex, some of this information is still relevant to you – but your experience may be slightly different. Find out more about trans women and prostate cancer.
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https://prostatecanceruk.org/prostate-information/about-prostate-cancer

The rest of the page refers to "men."

I'm not sure "people with prostates" is a phrase used as commonly as you seem to think.

It appears to me that there is more of a push to use this inclusive language for health conditions that affect females than for health conditions that affect males. I'm not sure that's correct though, as it's pretty difficult to test.
 
d4m10n said:
I am quite skeptical of this. When Boudicca90 talked about being female, she talked about an array of characteristics rather than anything to do with social roles.
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Katy Montgomerie on twitter considers herself a “biological female”. I don’t often see KM in my feed but here’s a related comment from a couple days ago: https://twitter.com/katymontgomerie/status/1640033258166530048

Katy Montgomerie said:
Who are you arguing against with the first bit lol. Of course sex is just the sum of your material sex characteristics. And therefore it isn't binary and you can change all the important ones for life in society
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India Willoughby also regularly refers to herself as a biological female. https://twitter.com/indiawilloughby/status/1602325631580135424

Katy and India are natal males; both consider themselves to be biologically female now.
 
Dismember said:
Katy and India are natal males; both consider themselves to be biologically female now.
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Good for them, but unless the word “biological” has come to have no meaning at all, they are not biological females. They are transwomen, and as I said, good for them.
 
TomB said:
Also known as "males."

Interestingly, I did a quick search on "who should be screeened for prostate cancer. Pretty much every result said "men" in certain age groups. this included the CDC, Mayo Clinic and American Cancer Society.

I didn't really find anything for "people with prostates." But I did find this:

https://prostatecanceruk.org/prostate-information/about-prostate-cancer

The rest of the page refers to "men."

I'm not sure "people with prostates" is a phrase used as commonly as you seem to think.

It appears to me that there is more of a push to use this inclusive language for health conditions that affect females than for health conditions that affect males. I'm not sure that's correct though, as it's pretty difficult to test.
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I found pretty much the same. A minority mention other categories, whereas most ones on cervix cancer say something like "women and people who have a cervix"

Some sites say that there is a significantly reduced risk of prostate cancer but the evidence is thin, so that's no excuse.for the difference.
 
Some trans women refer to themselves as biologically female.

They still aren't claiming that they can change their genetic makeup.

You might enquire more closely as to what they mean by it.
 
Robin said:
Some trans women refer to themselves as biologically female. ...

You might enquire more closely as to what they mean by it.
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They are probably doing it for convenience, to help them win arguments rather than as a scientific fact.
 
Aber said:
They are probably doing it for convenience, to help them win arguments rather than as a scientific fact.
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Here is a quote from a trans woman in a link someone's gave me earlier

Julia Serano said:
Sure, we may not be able to change our genetic sex
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Confirming the claim is not one of genetic change.

I am more familiar with trans people who say they are still biologically their birth sex.
 
And to appease those horrified by the vile assault on Posie Parker, the perpetrator has been charged with common assault.

Since she's in New York, it may take a while to get to court - I don't think extradition will come into play.
 
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