Cont: Transwomen are not women - part XI

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Robin said:
Again, I gave the link. The names are there. The details of the contact are there.
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The deplatforming efforts of opposition leader Pesutto strike me as tendentious at best. Deeming needs to be ousted because she platformed Keen, who was previously platformed by Gariépy, who had previously platformed Duke. There is no evidence given that these folks actually share the same views, it's all argument by moral contagion.



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From Wikipedia

Jean-François Gariépy (born 1984) is a French Canadian white nationalist, former neuroscience researcher,[5] and alt-right political commentator. Gariépy hosted the YouTube channel The Public Space before launching his current channel JFG Tonight where he calls for the creation of a white ethnostate, promotes antisemitic messages, and advocates for the genetic superiority of white people.
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OK. To go on that show, what sort of an.audidence would you be trying to reach?
 
Robin said:
But even Hannah Barnes and her sources say that the blockers are, in themselves, reversible and these are the critics of Tavistock. If you have some new research then feel free to share.
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I'd like to see evidence of this. I've read her book more than once and have listened to other interviews. I do not recall her saying this.
 
d4m10n said:
The deplatforming efforts of opposition leader Pesutto strike me as tendentious at best. Deeming needs to be ousted because she platformed Keen, who was previously platformed by Gariépy, who had previously platformed Duke. There is no evidence given that these folks actually share the same views, it's all argument by moral contagion.



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The politics of this is far from set. Pesutto recently won leadership very narrowly and he may not hold sway.
 
Funny thing.

Not so long ago someone from the gender critical side on this forum suggested that LGBT activists in general shared the blame when one Brussels based gay rights group allowed NAMBLA to be a member for 10 years and a CHE meeting in Midlands in the 1970s allegedly passed a motion of support for PIE over their.treatment by the press (and a senior member of CHE condemned PIE and pedophiles in general at the end of the meeting)

I said at the time that the Brussels based organisation should be condemned and the section of the UN who gave them status.

All I am saying here is that I, in particular would not want to be sharing a platform with someone who chose to go on the YouTube channel of a white supremacist, who was photographed, smiling, with a holocaust denier, his arm around her and who praised Tommy Robinson.

Once as they say, might be regarded as a misfortune...
 
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Samson said:
This just came through, a decent report of the puberty blocking landscape inNZ

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300838494/health-advice-scrubbed-due-to-antitrans-pressure
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Do you know that puberty blockers were given to short males to stop the bones fusing too early? It allows them to be taller.
For girls it is for precocious puberty- and that stops fusion for them as well- though for most doctors, having an 8yo girl with a period is something puberty blockers can help to wait until 10yrs. Not too much concern for height there.

For the new use of it longer term til hormone therapy? Insane. And the data of adverse outcomes is coming in fast...but not welcomed to the advocates for access to early transitions.

I expect a lot of tall transwomen with micro penises in the coming years suing the hell out of their doctors. No penis, no vagina. Cant make a vagina out of a penis that has not grown.
And the girls without breasts and infertile might have some rage about that. As is starting. Tick tock.

They knew, and they still prescribed the drug knowing it was not for a short break to correct early puberty. No excuse.

"Safe and reversible"? No, it isnt. Even in a best case, a kid will never become what they would have been on reversal, physically (not to mention mentally).

But after all, they still say regret is less than 1%, so why not do it for the greater good!
Anyone here believe that?
 
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Robin said:
But even Hannah Barnes and her sources say that the blockers are, in themselves, reversible and these are the critics of Tavistock. If you have some new research then feel free to share.
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I don't care what Barnes says. There is no evidence that it's true. I can't point to any research showing irreversible changes because there is no research at all about the long term medical consequences of using puberty blockers to treat gender dysphoria, or what happens if you try to reverse it. Yet they keep making the claim that it's fully reversible even though they have no basis to conclude that. The burden of proof isn't on me, it's on them. And they cannot back it up. There is no possible way for them to know what they claim they know.
 
Ziggurat said:
I don't care what Barnes says. There is no evidence that it's true.
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Barnes's sources are all the clinicians, including senior clinicians, that were most critical of Tavistock and she is citing studies.

It's theoretically reversible but not effectively reversible is the point they are making.

Which really comes down to saying it's not reversible.
 
Robin said:
Barnes's sources are all the clinicians, including senior clinicians, that were most critical of Tavistock and she is citing studies.
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Which proves my point: false information is systemic within the field, because they are telling her a lie.

It's theoretically reversible
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No, it isn't even theoretically reversible. There is no factual basis on which to make that assertion, and a number of reasons to expect it isn't.
 
Tiffany Thomas wins! [emoji469]

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One comment highlights this style of cheating replicates the East German women cleaning up in sport.
 
d4m10n said:
Tiffany Thomas wins! [emoji469]

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Gosh - I wonder how* you came across an article on an extremely minor cycling website about an extremely minor cycling event?


* I know exactly how.
 
d4m10n said:
Another interesting case from OH, similar to Agee Merager but probably more legally dubious.

https://www.tiktok.com/@abolition4life/video/7196812637059976494

https://www.xeniagazette.com/2023/0...ender-woman-accused-of-public-indecency-held/

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The Xenia Daily Gazette, huh?

It's almost as though there's a network of anti-transgender-identity activists who are spending a huge amount of time and effort searching the internet for stories which fuel their bigotry, then disseminating the stories to their equally-hungry fellow travellers. But that's probably just me overreaching, I'd imagine.
 
Ziggurat said:
I don't care what Barnes says. There is no evidence that it's true. I can't point to any research showing irreversible changes because there is no research at all about the long term medical consequences of using puberty blockers to treat gender dysphoria, or what happens if you try to reverse it. Yet they keep making the claim that it's fully reversible even though they have no basis to conclude that. The burden of proof isn't on me, it's on them. And they cannot back it up. There is no possible way for them to know what they claim they know.
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But you care an awful lot about the stuff that Barnes says which fits your agenda? Right?
 
d4m10n said:
The link you sent at #906 claims "Keen was known to be publicly associated with far right-wing extremist groups including neo-Nazi activists" but it doesn't say when or where this happened. Are you talking about Jean-François Gariépy in particular? If so, what did he say which Keen ought to have known about?

The transitivity just goes on and on here. Deeming ought to have known that Keen ought to have known what unspeakable thing Gariépy said (when? what?) but trust us, they all need to be deplatformed, stat! Moral guilt is contagious and permanent, like herpes.
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Do you think Keen-Minshull should have known who Pauline Hanson - one of the most infamous public figures in Australia, and someone who is extremely well-known (and well-exposed) for her hateful extremist right-wing views as the founder of the One Nation party - was, when she passed Hanson the microphone at her Canberra event and made no comment after Hanson finished speaking? And when she (Keen-Minshull) posed for a photograph with both Hanson and Malcolm Roberts (another notorious member of One Nation)?

Either 1) Keen-Minshull was spectacularly blindsided when she was endorsed enthusiastically by these odious extreme-right-wing figures (when literally either a 15-second google search or a quick word with one of the Australians present at the rally would have done the trick...), or 2) Keen-Minshull did know exactly who Hanson and Roberts were and what they represented, and chose to accept their endorsement. Frankly, I don't think even Keen-Minshull is that stupid and uninformed. So I put my money firmly on (2).

And as I said before: if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
 
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