Cont: Transwomen are not women - part XI

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d4m10n said:
The link you sent at #906 claims "Keen was known to be publicly associated with far right-wing extremist groups including neo-Nazi activists" but it doesn't say when or where this happened.
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Do you want the exact address or just the suburbs? It gave the names of the people and organisations and the nature of the contact.?
I'm not about to kick people out of my tent just because they associate with far-left activists (e.g. Marxists, Tankies) which I personally find distasteful.
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As I said earlier, either way, it doesn't alter the truth of what I said. I said the reason the Victorian Liberal Party were trying to eject her was not because of her views on gender but because she spoke at a rally organised by someone who was associated with far right issues.
 
Robin said:
Moreover the information on the hospital web page does not necessarily reflect what advice a clinician will give to the patient, which would most likely reflect the latest information available.
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In principle, yes, there can be a difference. But I'm not hearing the message that it's not reversible from anyone on that side in the US. Moreover, it's one thing for a web site to not include information that a clinician will convey to the patient. After all, a general audience web page is going to be brief, but a clinician can (at least in principle) go into much more depth. But they aren't merely not including important information that patients need to know, they are giving out information which is wrong. And there's really no excuse for that.
 
lionking said:
This is fine for athletics, as long as “elite level” includes college level athletics. It is nowhere near fine for contact sports, which are a bit of a hodge podge at the moment. Transwomen who have gone through male puberty should be banned completely from contact sports with females.
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I would add the hilighted bit (and you may already agree but just left it implicit). Transwomen who have gone through male puberty should be allowed to play contact sports with males.
 
Robin said:
Do you want the exact address or just the suburbs?
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I want to know who Ms. Keen was allegedly hanging out with and when. Seems like a fairly important point if you're hoping to deflatform both Keen and Deeming on account of such unsavory associations.

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d4m10n said:
I want to know who Ms. Keen was allegedly hanging out with and when. Seems like a fairly important point if you're hoping to deflatform both Keen and Deeming on account of such unsavory associations.

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You don't appear to have read that link I gave you.

It tells you who. It tells you the nature of the contact.

And what makes you think I want to deplatform either of them???.

Did I say I did????
 
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Ziggurat said:
In principle, yes, there can be a difference. But I'm not hearing the message that it's not reversible from anyone on that side in the US. Moreover, it's one thing for a web site to not include information that a clinician will convey to the patient. After all, a general audience web page is going to be brief, but a clinician can (at least in principle) go into much more depth. But they aren't merely not including important information that patients need to know, they are giving out information which is wrong. And there's really no excuse for that.
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But we are talking about why you think this is current standard practice.

The blockers are reversible. It's just that very few people stop after being on the blockers and so going on them is, in effect, reversible. They should explain this in all their information, not just at the interviews and some don't.

But I still is still the standard practice recommended to clinicians that they advise patient and parent of this and I can't say either way whether this occurs mostly in practice.
 
And re that Radio New Zealand car-crash interview: it's at once amusing, jaw-dropping and embarrassing to hear Keen-Minshull addressing the accusation statement of fact that she associates with, and is supported by, far right groups and individuals..... as "disgusting" and "preposterous".

Does Keen-Minshull actually think that people = not least decently-prepared broadcast journalists - haven't done the slightest bit of research & fact-checking into this matter? Does she actually think that people haven't discovered the platforming she's given to Proud Boys, various fundamentalist Christian organisations, and assorted extreme right-wing political figures? Does she actually think that people aren't aware of the fact that, just yesterday in Canberra, she platformed Pauline Hanson - a founder and figurehead of the disgusting extreme right-wing Australian political party One Nation?
 
Keir Starmer seems to be backtracking on his previous commitment to introduce self-declaration for trans people, now he's seen what happened in Scotland.

He said: "I think that if we reflect on what's happened in Scotland, the lesson I take from that is that if you're going to make reforms, you have to carry the public with you.

"And I think that's a very important message, and I think that's why it's clear that in Scotland there should be a reset of the situation."

Story here:

https://news.sky.com/story/keir-sta...hts-position-labour-strategists-warn-12841099
 
Samson said:
Here is an interview 11 mins with Posie Parker pending her landing in New Zealand.

Her two points seem to be.
1. Trans women are not women
2. There should be no male organs in spaces designated for women only.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018883114

I hope you have time to listen and comment, I may be missing something.
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The only new thing here is the part she immediately went quiet on.

Who are.tne billionaires she says are funding the trans movement in order to achieve the entire dismantling of society.

Why do the joby want the entire dismantling of society
 
Robin said:
You don't appear to have read that link I gave you.
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The link you sent at #906 claims "Keen was known to be publicly associated with far right-wing extremist groups including neo-Nazi activists" but it doesn't say when or where this happened. Are you talking about Jean-François Gariépy in particular? If so, what did he say which Keen ought to have known about?

The transitivity just goes on and on here. Deeming ought to have known that Keen ought to have known what unspeakable thing Gariépy said (when? what?) but trust us, they all need to be deplatformed, stat! Moral guilt is contagious and permanent, like herpes.
 
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Robin said:
The only new thing here is the part she immediately went quiet on.

Who are.tne billionaires she says are funding the trans movement in order to achieve the entire dismantling of society.

Why do the joby want the entire dismantling of society
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The billionaires part was not key, nor her expressing disgust that she is accused of courting nazi sympathizers

What I see as the parts for her NZ audience is that her 2 key points are defendable according to the reasonable man/woman.
That is my take, and attempts to block her entry have finally failed thanks to the responsible free speech inclinations in this country.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/coali...rkers-entry-to-nz/I7CHCOJXSZGMVN2XYC4IOI3G2Y/
 
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Samson said:
The billionaires part was
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The other stuff we've heard already. Don't need to go over it again.

I think if there are billionaires planning the entire dismantling of society we should be told.

The entire dismantling of society seems a pretty big deal. Who are these billionaires?
 
Robin said:
The other stuff we've heard already. Don't need to go over it again.

I think if there are billionaires planning the entire dismantling of society we should be told.

The entire dismantling of society seems a pretty big deal. Who are these billionaires?
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I agree. There are many conspiracy theories, most fail the sniff test, but her key points need airing in New Zealand.
We now have instant self ID and intact males allowed in dressing rooms with young girls.

That is my understanding, it could be wrong. Our right wing leader of the opposition is saying her views are abhorrent, we have a race to the liberal side of the boat going on down under.
 
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Robin said:
But we are talking about why you think this is current standard practice.
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Because the people who practice keep saying it.

The blockers are reversible.
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There is absolutely zero evidence that they are. I told you before, I've looked into this claim in detail. And nothing backs it up.
 
d4m10n said:
The link you sent at #906 claims "Keen was known to be publicly associated with far right-wing extremist groups including neo-Nazi activists" but it doesn't say when or where this happened. Are you talking about Jean-François Gariépy in particular? If so, what did he say which Keen ought to have known about?

The transitivity just goes on and on here. Deeming ought to have known that Keen ought to have known what unspeakable thing Gariépy said (when? what?)
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Again, I gave the link. The names are there. The details of the contact are there. I'm not going to read it for you

I said everybody can decide for themselves.

I haven't suggested deplatforming anyone, no matter how much you try to pretend I did.

You are very free to regard Parker as blameless of any far right wing courting.

Personally I wouldn't share a platform with her.or put her up as the poster girl for any cause that was important to me.

But I'm not out to deplatform anyone.

Again, my point was that Deeming was not, as someone suggested, moved against because of her gender beliefs.
 
Ziggurat said:
Because the people who practice keep saying it.
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Again, have you any evidence that what you claim is standard practice?
There is absolutely zero evidence that they are. I told you before, I've looked into this claim in detail. And nothing backs it up.
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But even Hannah Barnes and her sources say that the blockers are, in themselves, reversible and these are the critics of Tavistock. If you have some new research then feel free to share.
 
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Robin said:
The other stuff we've heard already. Don't need to go over it again.

I think if there are billionaires planning the entire dismantling of society we should be told.

The entire dismantling of society seems a pretty big deal. Who are these billionaires?
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Now back to these billionaires.

If society is going to be completely dismantled then I think we ought to have the details.

Can we name names?
 
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