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Cont: Transwomen are not women - part XI

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Robin said:
This is how I got it from lionking. If you say that this is not what they are saying then OK. But even JK Rowling seems to think they are saying this.
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Did you read post #716? It’s only a couple up. A large number of parents who used Tavistock services preferred a trans child to a gay one. It would really help if you caught up with the subject matter of this thread.
 
Robin said:
You are just giving me the hearsay. Third or fourth hand, repeated by the gender crit activists.
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So actual Tavistock staff are lying now? Must be a decent conspiracy going on. But it’s no surprise that you deny abuse of young people by affirmation at all costs ideologues. Why don’t you do some research on this issue.
 
lionking said:
So actual Tavistock staff are lying now?
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Wait, I know this one.

Tavistock staff would abuse children. But they would never, ever lie, because that would be wrong.

Right?

In any case you might like to look up the meaning of the word hearsay.

I am saying that one who is probably lying or misreporting is the gender crit activissts who report that they heard a Tavistock clinician say this.
 
So Hannah Barnes says that Matt Bristow said that some clinicians said that some other clinicians said ...

Still, if you are happy to have that as the standard of evidence that trans crit activists are happy with...
 
What the gender crit activists and the trans activists have in common is this "believe it all" attitude.

For the gender crits it doesn't matter if you are sympathetic to the women's spaces issue, or the women in sport issue,nor if you have cast doubt on the whole concept of gender identity.

None of that matters to the gender crit activists. Unless you believe everything they tell you uncritically, even the stuff that is obviously not true, then you are their sworn enemy.
 
When even tentatively asking the question of whether we should really be encouraging impressionable teenagers to make life changing alterations to their bodies without a reliable medical diagnosis gets you labelled a transphobe and a bigot, entrenchment becomes inevitable.
 
Pixel42 said:
When even tentatively asking the question of whether we should really be encouraging impressionable teenagers to make life changing alterations to their bodies without a reliable medical diagnosis gets you labelled a transphobe and a bigot, entrenchment becomes inevitable.
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Something, of course, which Robin will fail to address. Rather than being concerned about the fate of minors abused by Tavistock, or even research the proven abuses (Keira Bell) some people are happy to sit back and mutter “bigot”.
 
Pixel42 said:
When even tentatively asking the question of whether we should really be encouraging impressionable teenagers to make life changing alterations to their bodies without a reliable medical diagnosis gets you labelled a transphobe and a bigot, entrenchment becomes inevitable.
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Exactly my point. I've been called a transphobic too just because I'm still trying to make up my mind about something.

And the gender crit side are just the same.
 
lionking said:
Something, of course, which Robin will fail to address. Rather than being concerned about the fate of minors abused by Tavistock, or even research the proven abuses (Keira Bell) some people are happy to sit back and mutter “bigot”.
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Thank you for beautifully illustrating my point just after I made it
 
Pixel42 said:
When even tentatively asking the question of whether we should really be encouraging impressionable teenagers to make life changing alterations to their bodies without a reliable medical diagnosis gets you labelled a transphobe and a bigot, entrenchment becomes inevitable.
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And loom up a little to post #729 where I have been told that I am unconcerned about child abuse because I won't accept hearsay evidence that parents are making their children transition because they are prejudiced against gays, but not against trans people. That is not even central to the Tavistock controversy.

How is that different to what you are describing?
 
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Robin said:
So can anyone provide an example of an actual symptom of autism that has been or even might be mistaken for an actual symptom of GD?
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Examples from the link I provided you:

Laura B, a young autistic detransitioner, wrote an essay on her experiences for the website DetransVoices. She notes the confusion of growing up gender-non-conforming, receiving a diagnosis of Autism at eleven, but receiving no support, and the confusion of trying to find an identity while feeling increasingly isolated:
‘I wasn’t aware of many social and gender norms at the time, but I knew I hated anything “girly.” I was aware that I was different from girls, but I also did not feel connected to boys either. I felt very isolated and lonely even as young as 5-6 years old. Later I thought that this might have been proof that I was queer or trans, but now I know it’s just because I was autistic’
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‘No-one uses the word Lesbian any more. It’s so uncool. It has really negative connotations’. This is echoed by Dr K, a therapist speaking anonymously about her practice.
‘What we can’t underestimate’, says Dr K, ‘is the sheer homophobia outside middle-class liberal bubbles. “Lesbian” is at worst a grave insult, at best uncool. “The gay hierarchy is this,” she says. “At the top are gay men who can pass as straight, then camp gay men, then pretty, straight-passing lesbians. And right at the very bottom are butch lesbians. Masculine women have no cachet. But if you transition, you zoom right over the gay hierarchy to become a straight man’
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Robin said:
And loom up a little to post #729 where I have been told that I am unconcerned about child abuse because I won't accept hearsay evidence that parents are making their children transition because they are prejudiced against gays, but not against trans people. That is not even central to the Tavistock controversy.

How is that different to what you are describing?
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What I see is the most rapid swing in a population concensus from unintentional evil to sanity. I think the thread is helpful with the links provided.
 
Samson said:
What I see is the most rapid swing in a population concensus from unintentional evil to sanity. I think the thread is helpful with the links provided.
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Looking was saying I was intentionally evil because I wouldnt believe an unlikely claim on the basis of weak hearsay evidence.

Not what I call sanity.
 
Robin said:
Looking was saying I was intentionally evil because I wouldnt believe an unlikely claim on the basis of weak hearsay evidence.

Not what I call sanity.
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Please stop lying. I did not say what you claim I said.
 
Aber said:
Examples from the link I provided you:
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By the way, Pew has Lesbians as having the most acceptance of all LGBT followed by bisexual women, followed by gay men, followed by bisexual men with trans gender people a very distant last.
 
Robin said:
By the way, Pew has Lesbians as having the most acceptance of all LGBT followed by bisexual women, followed by gay men, followed by bisexual men with trans gender people a very distant last.
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So who do I go with? A respected survey organisation using actual data or someone reporting the words of an anonymous "therapist" describing an alleged "gay hierarchy" which sounds exactly like some homophobe's fantasy of what the gay world looks like, implausibly putting trans men at the top of the hierarchy. As though we all went round going "oh I wish I could be straight"
 
Robin said:
Looking was saying I was intentionally evil because I wouldnt believe an unlikely claim on the basis of weak hearsay evidence.

Not what I call sanity.
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I think you misread my post, I am sure the world is appalled by irremediable damage to countless born natural homosexual humans.
 
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