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Cont: Transwomen are not women - part XI

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Ziggurat said:
Then you haven’t been paying attention, because those are exactly the grounds on which some medical professionals ARE making that diagnosis. They shouldn’t, but they are.
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No evidence has been provided here that they are doing that.


I don’t know why you have such faith in professionals who have time and time again shown that it isn’t deserved.
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You mean the fact that some misdiagnoses occur is proof that medical professionals cannot be trusted.

And the fact that some bridges fall down is proof that engineers cannot be trusted.

And the fact that some accounting errors occur is proof that accountants cannot be trusted.

Funnily enough I have had good experiences with medical professionals because I seek multiple opinions and when conflicts between opinions occur I find a way of resolving it and finding the correct answer.

I know you think that is stupid, but it has worked for me and my family.
 
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Links have been provided detailing what happened at Tavistock. You can keep pretending these problems are one offs, but they aren’t. Here are systematic problems here. Your faith is unjustified.
 
Robin - just think of the rise in transgender kids over the last 15 years. Then think of what was medically available back then, in a more conservtive time for medical diagnosis. And now? Who is filling the gap? Why has the science moved so far so fast without seeing how these kids will grow up or disputing anything negative?

At some point, despite your good experiences, you have to acknowledge it is also a big business, with exponential growth, and massive increases in donor dollars with short-term social and political factors mixed into it.
... and it is still a novel field as far as what is offered today. These are children. They are very impressionable. These things can be irreversible and damaging. Caution is required.
But for some, caution is vilified as evil.
 
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Good for you. But it is indeed stupid to think your experience is universal.
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It's not universal. It only applies to parents like me and my wife who go to the trouble of checking numerous expert opinions.

It doesn't apt to parents who get advised by their kid''s pl pre school teachers that their child is showing the symptoms of autism and then take the word of one non specialist who doesn't know the first thing about autism that she isn't.

It doesn't apply to parents who receive the right advice and then go shopping around instead for the advice they want and don't even seek a third opinion to explain the discrepancy.
 
Sherkeu said:
These are children. They are very impressionable. These things can be irreversible and damaging. Caution is required.
But for some, caution is vilified as evil.
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Their parents aren't children. Their parents are responsible grown ups.

Chloe Cole's parents got an early warning of her autism and didn't get it checked out properly by specialists.

Chloe's parents received the correct advice that Chloe should not have any medical intervention and that they should instead have her cognitive developmental problems investigated.

But did they take this good advice from a medical professional?

No, they went shopping for advice more to their liking. So Chloe suffers and so do kids who really do need treatment because instead of the blame being sheeted home properly, ideologues who don't give a **** about the welfare of children use it to further their political agenda

Caution is what me and my wife have always done, sought advice from numerous experts, independent of each other and thoroughly investigated any discrepancies.

That's what actual caution looks like.

But Ziggurat thinks we are stupid to do that.
 
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Ziggurat said:
Links have been provided detailing what happened at Tavistock. You can keep pretending these problems are one offs, but they aren’t. Here are systematic problems here. Your faith is unjustified.
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Robin will not address this. Tavistock was the preeminent authority in the UK, if not the world, on the treatment of young people (some in primary school) who decided they were a different gender. Children died as a direct result of the actions of Tavistock.

I’m currently reading “Time to Think” by Hannah Barnes. It’s a damning and factual history of the crimes of Tavistock and fellow travellers Mermaids and Stonewall.

It’s no surprise that trans rights cheerleaders are studiously pretending Tavistock never existed. Not surprising but nevertheless disgusting.
 
Robin said:
No, they went shopping for advice more to their liking. So Close suffers and so do kids who really do need treatment because instead of the blame being sheeted home properly, ideologues who don't give a **** about the welfare of children use it to further their political agenda .
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Pretty good description of Tavistock.
 
lionking said:
Robin will not address this.
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What does it have to do with whether or not autism symptoms can.be mistaken for symptoms of GD???.

You didn't even bother to find out what the discussion was about did you?
 
lionking said:
Pretty good description of Tavistock.
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So you are saying Tucker Carlson Glenn Beck and Rita Panahi are not ideologues??. They are dispassionate speakers of reliable fact are they?

Jordan Peterson?
 
Robin said:
What does it have to do with whether or not autism symptoms can.be mistaken for symptoms of GD???.

You didn't even bother to find out what the discussion was about did you?
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Last I looked this thread was about transwomen. You are the one derailing this discussion. Tavistock is absolutely 100% on topic and your unwillingness to discuss it is telling.
 
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Now I suppose some idiot is going to ignore all I have said on gender (things for which it has been suggested I was a transphobe) and call me a trans rights cheerleader.
 
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lionking said:
Last I looked this thread was about transwomen. You are the one detailing this discussion. Tavistock is absolutely 100% on topic and your unwillingness to discuss it is telling.
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I was asking specifically about a claim that autism symptoms might be mistaken for GD symptoms.
 
Classic move when people who can't support a claim want to push the discussion down an entirely different track.
 
So, a discussion on the claim made in this thread that autism symptoms are often mistaken for symptoms of GD is somehow not on topic?

Can anybody here tell me what it is about Tavistock that contradicts any claim I have made here???

Thought not.
 
So can anyone provide an example of an actual symptom of autism that has been or even might be mistaken for an actual symptom of GD?

Examples from Tavistock welcome.

Note "X is a co-morbidity of Y" does not mean "X can be mistaken for Y"
 
Gender crit folk: "You refuse to talk about Tavistock"
Robin: "What is it about Tavistock that you would like me to talk about?"
Gender crit folk: --Silence---
 
Robin said:
So can anyone provide an example of an actual symptom of autism that has been or even might be mistaken for an actual symptom of GD?
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Some further reading:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/product/autism-gender-identity/

We know that currently, 76% of referees to The Tavistock & Portman Gender Identity Service (GIDS) are adolescent girls, and we also know from The Tavistock’s statistics that 48% either have a diagnosis of, or show traits of Autism.

Altogether, this is an astonishing number of young people sharing characteristics that are usually only present in 1% of the population. While there is clear evidence that there is a link between the number of children and young people with gender dysphoria or identifying under the transgender umbrella, there is no research that looks at why. Part of the reason for this is that the exponential rise in children and young people experiencing gender dysphoria or identifying as trans has taken place very quickly – too fast in fact, for research to keep up.
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