Drag Shows!!

[Robin]

Being from Down Under, surprised you did not mention Dame Edna...

Far right on my wall of fame (not that Edna is far right).

 

[arthwollipot]

Being from Down Under, surprised you did not mention Dame Edna...

The Grand Dame is a good example, in fact. Dame Edna Everage is a character played by the actor and comedian Barry Humphries in drag. While Dame Edna is certainly his most well-known character, he has also had acclaim with his other characters Sir Les Patterson and Sandy Stone, neither of which are drag characters.

Barry Humphries himself is a heterosexual man.

A drag character can be consistent (and detailed - complete with a fictional autobiography). But it is not an identity. When Dame Edna takes off the frock and glasses, he's just Barry from Melbourne.

 

[dudalb]

Far right on my wall of fame (not that Edna is far right).

I was talking to arthwollopot.

 

[arthwollipot]

I was talking to arthwollopot.

I wasn't talking about Dame Edna until after you mentioned her.

 

[Robin]

And I know a LOT of gay and lesbian people who do! My personal anecdote is exactly as good as yours.

I know some who do and some who don't. Reclaiming the word "Queer" was a little controversial back in the early eighties and I still see about 5% of people in discussion groups I am in who don't like the term. I don't suppose it matters. A lot of people like me find LGBT etc a bit cumbersome.

"Queer" is a quick useful way of conveying it when you don't need to be too specific.

As I said earlier, I don't particularly want to see it re-weaponised as an insult. Better to blunt the enemy's blade rather than to help them sharpen it.

 

[arthwollipot]

I know some who do and some who don't. Reclaiming the word "Queer" was a little controversial back in the early eighties and I still see about 5% of people in discussion groups I am in who don't like the term. I don't suppose it matters. A lot of people like me find LGBT etc a bit cumbersome.

As I said to my dad, if you can remember NRMA, you can remember LGBT. Anything else is just glitter.

 

[Robin]

The Grand Dame is a good example, in fact. Dame Edna Everage is a character played by the actor and comedian Barry Humphries in drag. While Dame Edna is certainly his most well-known character, he has also had acclaim with his other characters Sir Les Patterson and Sandy Stone, neither of which are drag characters.

Barry Humphries himself is a heterosexual man.

A drag character can be consistent (and detailed - complete with a fictional autobiography). But it is not an identity. When Dame Edna takes off the frock and glasses, he's just Barry from Melbourne.

I had a boss in England once who was convinced that Sir Les Patterson was Australia's cultural attache and said that the man was not a good representative of his country.

 

[Robin]

As I said to my dad, if you can remember NRMA, you can remember LGBT. Anything else is just glitter.

Yes, I can remember LGBTQIA+ too, but it doesn't really roll off the tongue like "queer" does.

 

[Stacyhs]

And the same could be said of a rock musician, or a stage illusionist. Or any kind of performer for that matter. Take John Wayne as a case study.

John Wayne's career was playing John Wayne in slightly different costumes.

 

[catsmate]

It kind of implies the existence of "toxic femininity" too, doesn't it?

Valeria Solanas and the SCUMers?

And I know a LOT of gay and lesbian people who do! My personal anecdote is exactly as good as yours.

Ditto.

 

[Matthew Best]

Which makes me suspect Polari, but even knowing that existed is not mainstream knowledge, even among gay people.

[imgw=600]https://i.imgur.com/QYAHbOt.jpg[/imgw]

 

[TragicMonkey]

[imgw=600]https://i.imgur.com/QYAHbOt.jpg[/imgw]

My point was knowledge of the existence of Polari is rare, not that its vocabulary is extinct.


eta: also I'm doubtful of some of those being from Polari, several seem straight Cockney to me.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Well I'm not the world's most masculine man
But I know what I am and I'm glad I'm a man
And so is Lola​

-- Ray Davies​

 

[Thermal]

I know some who do and some who don't. Reclaiming the word "Queer" was a little controversial back in the early eighties and I still see about 5% of people in discussion groups I am in who don't like the term. I don't suppose it matters. A lot of people like me find LGBT etc a bit cumbersome.
"Queer" is a quick useful way of conveying it when you don't need to be too specific.

As I said earlier, I don't particularly want to see it re-weaponised as an insult. Better to blunt the enemy's blade rather than to help them sharpen it.

More than cumbersome. It was only a couple years ago that I realized the alphabet soup name wasn't a joke. I mean, don't these cats understand basic marketing? Short and sweet does it, not clumsy and awkward. They should really change it to G+, and the symbol be a firework, not a rainbow. Rainbows carry a My Little Pony association that is off message, I think.

 

[JoeMorgue]

If there's anything more useless then semantics it's semantics with a "reclaiming the word" agenda.

That's why I keep trying to get describe things without just using terms to define themselves as correct.

 

[Thermal]

Well I'm not the world's most masculine man
But I know what I am and I'm glad I'm a man
And so is Lola​

-- Ray Davies​

Damn. All these years I thought "..in her dark brown voice.." was "...in her back room voice". The **** I learn here.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I still hate that's nearly impossible to find the "Coca Cola" and not the "Cherry Cola" version of that song.

 

[Thermal]

I still hate that's nearly impossible to find the "Coca Cola" and not the "Cherry Cola" version of that song.

Coca cola's lawyers have seen to that.

I've been corrected more than once for singing the original version. A lot of people don't even know there was one.

 

[Robin]

My point was knowledge of the existence of Polari is rare, not that its vocabulary is extinct.


eta: also I'm doubtful of some of those being from Polari, several seem straight Cockney to me.

I think a lot of.cockney words come from cockney, "rozzer, "scarper", "strides" since it was originally carny slang.

But then backwards slang, like "eke" for "face" probably went the other way but didn't survive in general Cockney usage.

 

[Robin]

I don't know why anyone would doubt there was such a thing as toxic femininity. I know two people who home school their daughters because of the toxic femininity they encounter at school.

But then again, it's purely related to het culture.