Who is more pernicious... wily thugs or corrupt judiciary & venal law "enforcement"?

[Leumas]

Who is more pernicious... wily thugs or corrupt judiciary & venal law "enforcement"?

Who causes more harm and vitiation of the social fabric of a society... concerted gangs of malignant wily thugs... or corrupt judges and cowardly lawyers and deceitful venal law enforcers shielding and facilitating the thuggery and criminality... and invariably reaping benefits from their active and passive collusions.

Philosophically, ethically, morally and economically... the corruption of those who are meant to protect the members of a society from organized ruffians and degenerate hoodlums, must surely be more of an egregious pernicious betrayal of all that is good and decent and honorable... let alone rational.

Here is an example that made me realize why it is that a certain criminal dunce haplessly managed to reach to the highest echelons of power and has never been confronted with his villainy despite his criminality spanning decades.

And I do not think that any decent rational person on Earth can deny the deleterious mayhem and malignancy... not to mention the mind vitiation of countless pissants... that this bullying obscene buffoon has wrought upon the whole globe not just his society.

And he was throughout his career of wonton depravity promoted and shielded and protected from any consequences of his felonies and indecency... by a corrupt to the crux corps of immoral unethical soulless mountebanks and sycophants and collaborators in the highest echelons of power and influence.

 

[Spyke]

USA Politics ?

This seems to me, to be a Community issue.

 

[Foster Zygote]

USA Politics ?

This seems to me, to be a Community issue.

Was it covered on Troy and Abed in the Morning?

 

[Donal]

The biggest difficulty I have with your question is that the latter tends to count the former in its ranks.

 

[TragicMonkey]

I guess it depends on whose prose is more purple, the thugs or the lawmen?

 

[bruto]

The biggest difficulty I have with your question is that the latter tends to count the former in its ranks.

Careful toe on ice. Is it thick enough?

That's basically my problem with the poll and the question in general. As put, the issue explicitly involves concerted and organized criminals and the criminals in power who enable them. Stated that way, it seems to omit disorganized and unconcerted criminals, and also seems to omit the fresh and spontaneous crimes of those in power.

One might, I suppose, consider that criminals in power are worse than criminals in the wild, because the former not only enable the crimes of the latter but add their own. If that point is being made here it is being obscured by rhetoric, as what I mean here is a big step beyond "failure to protect."

I would suppose this thread falls into the realm of USA politics because the examples given come from USA Politics, and it's mostly about the crimes and thuggeries of Trump and his cronies. About that I believe there can be no real argument and the challenge in describing them is not one of overstating, but of finding adequate words that do not end up as a line of asterisks.

If we ignore the florid rhetoric here and what I would consider a poorly framed argument, I would suggest that though a crime is a crime wherever it happens, criminals in power are more harmful to the social fabric than those who are not, since they not only enable others, but enable themselves, and institutionalize criminal behavior.

But I am uncertain where that opinion lies with relation to the poll. And I hope it is not a violation of some standard to suggest that I for one do not consider Trump's rise to power "hapless," and have a faint suspicion that "vitiation" is not quite the right term. And though I am not privy to all the goings on in the White House, and wonton depravity might have occurred there, I was under the impression that Mr. Trump's expressions were more often carried out with ketchup. (Please note that that last sentence was meant to be a joke, and that although some might disagree, some might consider that not everything need be entirely serious all the time. )

Is Trump a *******? Yup.

 

[Suddenly]

I mean, really, a large problem with the legal system is that it uses a lot of smart sounding gibberish to distract from its simplicity and absurdities.

So, yeah.

 

[Leumas]

USA Politics ?

This seems to me, to be a Community issue.

Before it was moved here... it was in the Religion and Philosophy sub-forum where I put it since it deals with

Who causes more harm and vitiation of the social fabric of a society... concerted gangs of malignant wily thugs... or corrupt judges and cowardly lawyers and deceitful venal law enforcers shielding and facilitating the thuggery and criminality... and invariably reaping benefits from their active and passive collusions.

Philosophically, ethically, morally and economically... the corruption of those who are meant to protect the members of a society from organized ruffians and degenerate hoodlums, must surely be more of an egregious pernicious betrayal of all that is good and decent and honorable... let alone rational.

Here is an example ...

I put it in the Philosophy and religion sub-forum because as can be clearly discerned by the most cursory reading, it is about Philosophical concerns about immorality and unethicality and corruption and criminality and betrayal and dishonor in carrying out one's duty faithfully.

Not about Politics...

The poll is about the philosophical implication upon morality of corrupt immoral judging and law enforcement compared to the actual perpetrators of crimes.

It is the realm of Philosophy and religions... even the detestable Buybull has laws prohibiting corrupt judges and law enforcers.

It is an issue that impacts the morale and morality and soul of any society of any kind or size.

I gave an example from current affairs that is on the news recently... but it is only an incidental EXAMPLE to demonstrate the gravity and perniciousness of the matter... but the example itself is not the issue.

 

[Leumas]

And this issue is clearly causing moral consternations and dilemmas given that the thread has had so far 153 viewers but only 2 votes (other than mine)... one of which prefers corruption and criminality as good for society.

 

[Thermal]

And this issue is clearly causing moral consternations and dilemmas given that the thread has had so far 153 viewers but only 2 votes (other than mine)... one of which prefers corruption and criminality as good for society.

What???? How the hell do you draw that conclusion?

Most posters are glancing at a thread to see if it is interesting to them. Another large group are interested in reading the discussion, and don't give a fat rat's petootie about the poll. A sizable chunk likely don't know what the hell you are on about and moved on to another thread. Safe to say the thread causes exactly zero moral "consternations and dilemmas".

No one cares =/= existential angst.

 

[sackett]

Wiley coyotes and correct ventilation are the solution. Or the real problem. Some damn agnostic thing like that.

 

[Foster Zygote]

And this issue is clearly causing moral consternations and dilemmas given that the thread has had so far 153 viewers but only 2 votes (other than mine)... one of which prefers corruption and criminality as good for society.

I think your mistake is to assume that anyone else is taking the OP or the poll seriously. Just because your inverted cardboard box propped up on a stick tied to a piece of string over a plate of bird seed hasn't caught anything doesn't mean that it's too confounding for its intended prey to understand.

ETA: posted prior to reading sackett's preceding post.

 

[zooterkin]

And he was throughout his career of wonton depravity

He did what with Chinese food now?

 

[Leumas]

The biggest difficulty I have with your question is that the latter tends to count the former in its ranks.

Why is that a difficulty?

Who is more insidiously and egregiously pernicious...

a thug with the authority and power to do his thuggery as a judge and law enforcement member....​

or

a thug who is despite his thuggery is still not authorized to do his villainy... except of course because of the aiding and abetting and shielding and facilitation by the villains pretending to be judges serving the community?​

In other words... who is more pernicious and detrimental to society...

the ones who overtly are criminal thugs...​

or

the covert mountebanks who stab society in the back from their supposedly trusted positions of power while they are nothing but lying traitors of all decency and honor?​

 

[Leumas]

He did what with Chinese food now?

Thanks for that correction... evidently you cared enough to read the OP with meticulous attention... disproving the claims in other posts.

However... I see you have not voted... nor made a cogent meaningful contribution to the discussion.... so all that rigorous reading of the OP was just to find something to deride and ridicule??

Ah well... thanks for proofing the OP in any case...

 

[sackett]

What'll we do now, Pierre?

I think your mistake is to assume that anyone else is taking the OP or the poll seriously. Just because your inverted cardboard box propped up on a stick tied to a piece of string over a plate of bird seed hasn't caught anything doesn't mean that it's too confounding for its intended prey to understand.

ETA: posted prior to reading sackett's preceding post.

Oh, so already l'm to blame? Great. Now where can the poor Mods move this thread, this mighty symposium on the cataclysmic issues of Aeternitas? Got any ideas, wise guy? Humor & Jokes? Hobbies? AAH?

You didn't read the OP.

 

[Foster Zygote]

He did what with Chinese food now?

Whatever it was, you can be sure it was depraved.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Thanks for that correction... evidently you cared enough to read the OP with meticulous attention... disproving the claims in other posts.

What claims would those be? Did others claim that zooterkin wouldn't respond?

However... I see you have not voted... nor made a cogent meaningful contribution to the discussion.... so all that rigorous reading of the OP was just to find something to deride and ridicule??

On the contrary, I think the wonton query was the most profound thing in this whole thread to this point.

Ah well... thanks for proofing the OP in any case...

Would you like your other posts proofed? I mean, there's a lot to cover regarding punctuation alone.

 

[Leumas]

....
Would you like your other posts proofed?...

You have already done ample proofing of all the content of all my posts...

 

[Suddenly]

This is bit, right? I feel like I'm losing my mind.