Fox News knew they were lying about election

[The Great Zaganza]

We should replace the American Flag with a Rorschach.

 

[dudalb]

But aren't there standards for cable channels as well? I'm not certain the division is so clear any more in the era of streaming.

IN a era of satellite broadcasting and streming, frankly, think like laws against false advertising are dead letter laws, impossible to enforce.
Which is why calls to bring back The Fairness Doctrine are sort of silly. Though sheer technology, that horse left the barn a long time ago.
Having said that, some of the quotes form Murdoch are, well, even lower then I thought he would go. Thanks a lot, Australia, for giving the world this monster.

 

[dudalb]

Anyone who would listen to or give any credence to Alex Jones is, to put it bluntly, too stupid to see him for what he is. They are a lost cause cuz ya cain't fix stupid.

There is a such a thing as incurable stupidity.

 

[Norman Alexander]

IN a era of satellite broadcasting and streming, frankly, think like laws against false advertising are dead letter laws, impossible to enforce.
Which is why calls to bring back The Fairness Doctrine are sort of silly. Though sheer technology, that horse left the barn a long time ago.
Having said that, some of the quotes form Murdoch are, well, even lower then I thought he would go. Thanks a lot, Australia, for giving the world this monster.

He actually moved to the USA and took up US citizenship because his prospects of bilking far more gullible rubes doing bigger business was better there. Not that he was an angel before he left. So we didn't send him, you drew him in.

 

[dudalb]

He actually moved to the USA and took up US citizenship because his prospects of bilking far more gullible rubes doing bigger business was better there. Not that he was an angel before he left. So we didn't send him, you drew him in.

True, but I understand the UK let him in before we did....first time I heard his name was in reading a book about the Hitler Diary fiasco.

 

[Norman Alexander]

True, but I understand the UK let him in before we did....first time I heard his name was in reading a book about the Hitler Diary fiasco.

At the time, being an Australian citizen and thus part of the British Commonwealth meant he was automatically allowed to live and work and run a business in the UK. I believe things have changed significantly since then.

 

[Stacyhs]

He actually moved to the USA and took up US citizenship because his prospects of bilking far more gullible rubes doing bigger business was better there. Not that he was an angel before he left. So we didn't send him, you drew him in.

Not true. He gave up his Australian citizenship and became a US citizen because he could not legally own a US television network as a foreigner. Murdoch still owns his UK, Australian, New Zealand, Asian and S. American media.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Not true. He gave up his Australian citizenship and became a US citizen because he could not legally own a US television network as a foreigner. Murdoch still owns his UK, Australian, New Zealand, Asian and S. American papers.

Yes, but WHY did he do that. See my post.

 

[Stacyhs]

Yes, but WHY did he do that. See my post.

I'd say to expand his media empire which is what he did. You are assuming you know his motives otherwise. You don't.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I'd say to expand his media empire which is what he did. You are assuming you know his motives otherwise. You don't.

Of course it was to expand his media empire!

And how do you think he went about that?? Again, see my posts.

 

[Aridas]

Which is why calls to bring back The Fairness Doctrine are sort of silly. Though sheer technology, that horse left the barn a long time ago.

Ehh. Bringing back The Fairness Doctrine would likely be doomed simply because Republicans can be fairly safely trusted to shamelessly abuse and invert it from it's intended purpose these days, in true authoritarianism fashion. Had it not been removed in a smashing blow against free speech under the pretense of protecting free speech, things might be different, but the past is the past and the damage has been done.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

out of the horse's

CNN asked some law professors about Dominion's filing: "“This is a pretty staggering brief,” Jones said. “Dominion’s filing here is unique not just as to the volume of the evidence but also as to the directness of the evidence and the timeline of the evidence.”"

 

[The Great Zaganza]

It's unlikely that the Judge will decide that no reasonable Jury could do anything but find for Dominion - even in a slam-dunk case like this.

 

[jadebox]

Ehh. Bringing back The Fairness Doctrine would likely be doomed simply because Republicans can be fairly safely trusted to shamelessly abuse and invert it from it's intended purpose these days, in true authoritarianism fashion.

The Fairness Doctrine only applied to broadcasters since they are using the public airwaves. It did not and could not apply to cable or Internet media because of the First Amendment's free speech guarantee.

 

[Aridas]

The Fairness Doctrine only applied to broadcasters since they are using the public airwaves. It did not and could not apply to cable or Internet media because of the First Amendment's free speech guarantee.

Perhaps. Even just properly applying it to the public airwaves has quite notable influence, though, and can help foster real debate and understanding of issues. The oft underestimated radio, in particular. The right-wing monopoly on radio would probably have been greatly less incentivized, for example, had it not been ended. As it stands, though, again, the damage has pretty well been done and the Fairness Doctrine would not be a trustworthy fix at all. That the GOP wouldn't have the ability to **** over cable and the internet via a restored Fairness Doctrine and that the Fairness Doctrine wouldn't fix the issues there means little. That a tool isn't suited to doing everything is hardly an argument against using it for the things that it is suited for.

 

[Ethan Thane Athen]

Anyone who would listen to or give any credence to Alex Jones is, to put it bluntly, too stupid to see him for what he is. They are a lost cause cuz ya cain't fix stupid.

Sadly I have a very intelligent friend who, whilst reluctantly admitting that Jones was 'probably wrong' about the Sandy Hook massacre ('though there were still some dodgy things about it') goes on to say, that he's been right about a lot of things and you can't believe mainstream media because they feed you lies.

I think it's the seduction of 'I'm too intelligent to be fooled like you lot / I'm so clever I've seen through it all' mixed with a mistaken treatment of all sources as somehow equal in their bias.

He had similar views about Trump (I was flabbergasted) - 'At least he's a free thinker not one of those crooked politicians'. Hilary C was the most corrupt person imaginable apparently whilst Trump (a millionaire business man) was somehow not part of / not tainted by "The Establishment".

I try and avoid politics with him because we are dangerously far apart and, I hate to admit it, but he is a much better debater than me. Also, all that aside, he's a top bloke - as I say, I was flabbergasted at his politics* having known him for years as a thoroughly decent, very bright chap.

*Not the right wing stuff, I can cope with that and understand it as I used to be pretty right wing myself, but the conspiracy theory, anti MSM (UK and US) outlook. He's also very triggered by 'woke' scare stories as if they are a direct threat to his comfortable, white middle-class existence.

 

[dudalb]

The Fairness Doctrine only applied to broadcasters since they are using the public airwaves. It did not and could not apply to cable or Internet media because of the First Amendment's free speech guarantee.

I made that point. Technology has made the Fairness Doctirne a dead letter law even if it were to come back.

 

[Stacyhs]

Sadly I have a very intelligent friend who, whilst reluctantly admitting that Jones was 'probably wrong' about the Sandy Hook massacre ('though there were still some dodgy things about it') goes on to say, that he's been right about a lot of things and you can't believe mainstream media because they feed you lies.

I think it's the seduction of 'I'm too intelligent to be fooled like you lot / I'm so clever I've seen through it all' mixed with a mistaken treatment of all sources as somehow equal in their bias.

He had similar views about Trump (I was flabbergasted) - 'At least he's a free thinker not one of those crooked politicians'. Hilary C was the most corrupt person imaginable apparently whilst Trump (a millionaire business man) was somehow not part of / not tainted by "The Establishment".

I try and avoid politics with him because we are dangerously far apart and, I hate to admit it, but he is a much better debater than me. Also, all that aside, he's a top bloke - as I say, I was flabbergasted at his politics* having known him for years as a thoroughly decent, very bright chap.

*Not the right wing stuff, I can cope with that and understand it as I used to be pretty right wing myself, but the conspiracy theory, anti MSM (UK and US) outlook. He's also very triggered by 'woke' scare stories as if they are a direct threat to his comfortable, white middle-class existence.

Sorry, but absolutely nothing you said about this friend of yours speaks to him being smart. You're conflating 'intelligent' with 'smart'. As I've said before, "IQ" smart does not keep someone from being an idiot.

Intelligent vs. Smart: What’s The Difference Between The Smart and Intelligent?

“Intelligence” refers to an ability to learn and apply knowledge quickly. This trait is often inherited and comes from an individual’s genetic makeup.
Intelligence is not the same as smarts or cleverness. It simply refers to an ability to acquire information effectively. It doesn’t mean applying knowledge to pragmatic situations. That is why many professors and scientists who have high intelligence levels are typically known as being absent-minded.

Intelligence is a trait you’re born with. An IQ test often measures it. On the other hand, smartness is the skill needed to adapt to situations to the best of one’s ability. While intelligence is something you’re born with, smartness is something you can develop over time.

Smartness can be learned through developing critical thinking, something your friend appears to lack.

Intelligence is the ability to think abstractly, understand and acquire new information, and apply that knowledge. Smartness is the ability to apply that knowledge promptly and efficiently. In other words, intelligence is the ability to learn, while smartness is the ability to apply what has been learned.Both intelligence and smartness are important in life. However, intelligence is more important in academics, while smartness is more important in applying what one has learned.

 

[Stacyhs]

Rupert Murdoch gave a sworn deposition in the Dominion lawsuit against Fox. In it, he named four anchors who "endorsed" Trump's "election lies": Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo, Jeanine Pirro, and Sean Hannity. He claimed that the network itself did not. In essence, he is throwing the four anchors under the bus. I noticed Tucker Carlson is not on that list. Probably because he's the top money-maker for Fox. The others are expendable.

He was asked what should happen to the Fox executives who knowingly allowed the anchors to spread the lies, he replied, "They should be reprimanded-They should be reprimanded, maybe got rid of."

 

[Norman Alexander]

Rupert Murdoch gave a sworn deposition in the Dominion lawsuit against Fox. In it, he named four anchors who "endorsed" Trump's "election lies": Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo, Jeanine Pirro, and Sean Hannity. He claimed that the network itself did not. In essence, he is throwing the four anchors under the bus. I noticed Tucker Carlson is not on that list. Probably because he's the top money-maker for Fox. The others are expendable.

He was asked what should happen to the Fox executives who knowingly allowed the anchors to spread the lies, he replied, "They should be reprimanded-They should be reprimanded, maybe got rid of."

Rupe is getting the broom out, plus fueling up the bus for a run.