Christianity is a grotesque blight!

The Great Zaganza said:
In "Debt: the First 5,000 years" goes into a of detail why we used to use people as currency, and what kind of debts can be paid for with a human life.

The context here is that the Bible is also full of Slavery, in particular Debt Slavery, when parents can sell their children for minor infractions.

Throwing out big numbers of people sacrificed is therefore nothing more than God being established as the Richest Dude who everyone is in debt to and who needs to be paid in slaves, because no one has the actual cash to do it.

In other words - it's a Flex.
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No... 2 Samuel 21 is a case of human sacrifice to YHWH to stop a famine he caused... and Joshua 7 is a case of human sacrifice to stop YHWH from sulking and refusing to carry on participating and aiding in the conduct of war crimes he was earlier carrying out under his own command.

Slavery in the Buybull has nothing to do with the topic of this OP and it was not "in particular Debt Slavery" it was predominantly chattel slavery and war crimes slavery and sex slavery.... but this is not the OP for this topic.... suffice to say... read this book... at least.
 
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Even Evil has to make money.
And dealing in humans was the surefire way when you had the manpower to do it. In the end, it's all about money.

So it's Humans who sacrificed other humans, not a God.

Or do you claim that God killed them himself?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Even Evil has to make money.
And dealing in humans was the surefire way when you had the manpower to do it. In the end, it's all about money.

So it's Humans who sacrificed other humans, not a God.

Or do you claim that God killed them himself?
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Sigh!!!

Zaganza.... Can you please try to read the OP, and this post and this post...

Can you do that???
 
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Leumas said:
Sigh!!!

Zarganza.... Can you please try to read the OP, and this post and this post...

Can you do that???
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Just because you can't see the relevance doesn't mean it it's there.
You have snared yourself in a loop, with the result that your version of Yahweh actually must be a real god, for how else could such a religion prosper, if it slaughters it's own supporters?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
<snip derailing claptrap>
...how else could such a religion prosper, if it slaughters it's own supporters?
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The same way Christians have been slaughtering each other since the first cult members formed... do you know who Ananias and Sapphira were?

It might also behoove you to read this book... it will show you how christianity the cult of human sacrifice and Zombies thrived BECAUSE it killed its supporters and continued to do so for millennia
 
Leumas said:
The same way Christians have been slaughtering each other since the first cult members formed... do you know who Ananias and Sapphira were?

It might also behoove you to read this book... it will show you how christianity the cult of human sacrifice and Zombies thrived BECAUSE it killed its supporters and continued to do so for millennia
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and... ???

Still doesn't answer the question why it worked.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Just because you can't see the relevance doesn't mean it it's there.
You have snared yourself in a loop, with the result that your version of Yahweh actually must be a real god, for how else could such a religion prosper, if it slaughters it's own supporters?
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The Shakers had a similar problem, but with a different cause.
 
Leumas said:
Please note... this OP is specifically asking for a discussion about *snip*
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Well, why do you assume that agnostics, secular theists, or ateists are in any way even going to try to counter your arguments? None of those groups can in any meaningful way regard the Bible in general and the OT in particular as any kind of god-given truth. At best it's a highly biased historical account (although hardly more biased than other contemporary accounts), and it depicts the fairly wide-spread practices of the millennia before our counting.

If you must wrench a defense out of somebody, you need to address some bible-thumbers, but such are mostly absent on this forum, and any that do exist probably know better than to engage you in 'debate'.

Hans
 
I guess your beef is with the Jewish faith, since Jesus explicitly removed the need for any further sacrifices beyond his own.
 
zooterkin said:
I guess your beef is with the Jewish faith, since Jesus explicitly removed the need for any further sacrifices beyond his own.
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How is this comment of yours addressing the OP... do you have any opinion on 2 Samuel 21 and Joshua 7 at all... do you have anything to say about them being an airtight proof that YHWH of the Buybull is a Human Sacrifice demander and enjoyer??

And the ill begotten son of YHWH having had his mother raped by YHWH for the express purpose of making himself a Human Sacrifice does not exactly absolve the cult of the human sacrificed Zombie of being a cult of worship of a human sacrifice and a deity who demands human sacrifice...


zooterkin said:
...Jesus explicitly removed the need for any further sacrifices beyond his own.
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And you are fully wrong to boot... Jesus did not do that... he in fact caused more human sacrifices.... there were plenty of human sacrifices to Jesus and his deadbeat sky daddy by the numerous martyrs who sacrificed their lives for them and continued to do so for millennia....

Not to mention the scads of victims who were sacrificed to Jesus for not accepting to swallow his zombie human sacrifice cult.

I suggest you look at the history of Christianity more closely.

However... this OP is about the verses in 2 Samuel 21 and Joshua 7 being an irrefragable proof of YHWH being a demander and accepter and enjoyer of human sacrifice.

Do you have anything to say about that???




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Mojo said:
The Shakers had a similar problem, but with a different cause.
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Great... but do you have anything to say about 2 Samuel 21 and Joshua 7 being verses that irrefutably prove that YHWH of the Buybull is a demander and accepter and enjoyer of Human Sacrifice?
 
Leumas said:
I read Hyperion 300 years ago and do not recall anything about it due to my geriatric state... and because of your comment I now have decided to go ahead and buy the Audible three books which I had on my wish list but was not sure whether to waste credits on or not.:thumbsup:


ETA: Can you please summarize that argument by Dan Simmons... but... also... do YOU have and argument? What is it if you do?: thumbsup :
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I'm not going to summarize Simmons' argument. I wouldn't do it justice, and besides, I don't really need to.

My argument is pretty basic. You already have most of it.

1. You're preaching to the choir (again).

2. It's not a new sermon.

3. Your delivery cold sucks.

3a. Especially when compared (unfairly, perhaps) to a great work of literature that also includes the same basic argument. And also does a much better job of evoking the horror of zombie resurrection.
 
your basic argument presupposes that an actual being called Yaweh exists and is capable of making demands and experiencing joy.

But no such being exists.

Ergo, any failings of the Biblical God are the failings of his followers.
 
"Entreated" doesn't mean anything like "pleased" or "enjoying" in any dictionary definition I can find.
 
Leumas said:
However... this OP is about the verses in 2 Samuel 21 and Joshua 7 being an irrefragable proof of YHWH being a demander and accepter and enjoyer of human sacrifice.

Do you have anything to say about that???




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Yes. What possible relevance does it have? What do you hope to achieve by raising it here?
 
Leumas said:
I am interested in an intellectual intelligent honest discussion about those verses being an airtight case for YHWH being a human sacrifice commanding and accepting and enjoying deity.
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How can we have an 'intellectual intelligent honest discussion' with someone who claims to be over 300 years old?

I think the following verses are impossible to refute as an airtight clinching case for YHWH being a demander and accepter and enjoyer of human blood sacrifice.
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You have it backwards. YHWH was forced to meet the demands of his 'worshippers'. He didn't enjoy it one bit.
 
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