Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

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Sherkeu said:
Most of the people I am thinking of would not be known to you or the public at large. Most of the people I am thinking of have an incentive to make the majority of the US more prosperous, not poor or victimized. Rising tides raising all the boats...and all that.

If the US political elites today are polarizing and both moving to more and more govt control and making corrupt deals to keep power (like the disaster in Venezuela), then there may many back room discussions on what could be done to prevent it.

Probably won't happen. We will just plod along in decline.
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If these people have the money, an incentive, and the desire to make the majority of the US more prosperous, why haven't they already?

Is this one of those things where they just need us each to send $5 to learn how to be more prosperous?
 
Sherkeu said:
Most of the people I am thinking of would not be known to you or the public at large. Most of the people I am thinking of have an incentive to make the majority of the US more prosperous, not poor or victimized. Rising tides raising all the boats...and all that.
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Then why don't you reveal these illustrious "innovators" to us by name? These wonderful people who have this "incentive to make the majority of the US more prosperous, not poor or victimized" yet remain unknown to us?

If the US political elites today are polarizing and both moving to more and more govt control and making corrupt deals to keep power (like the disaster in Venezuela), then there may many back room discussions on what could be done to prevent it.
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So what you're saying is that you think there are 'many back room discussions' amongst this alleged unnamed group of "innovators and influencers with principles and friends" that we don't know anything about. Sounds like the flip side of the 'secret cabal' theory QAnon believers embrace.

Probably won't happen. We will just plod along in decline.
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Yeah....probably won't happen.
 
Stacyhs said:
I know that. But Mao was leading the Chinese Communist Army that had been fighting the Nationalist in their civil war and suspended that fight in order to fight the Japanese and joined with the Allies.
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As a matter of fact, Mao actually had a de facto truce with the Japanese in the last year of the war. The Japanese felt the Natiionalist were a greater problem starting in early 1944 because of the construction of air bases by the US in Nationalist Territory which could be used by B 29's to bomb Japanm and decided to focus on that. The myth that the Communist fought the Japanese all along while the Nationalists held back is just that:a myth. BOth sides had a strategy of conserving as much stregth as possible for the struggle after Japan was gone, depending on the US to actually win the war.
 
I just have to point out systems where the Government has total control of the economy and makes all decisions have not worked too well.
I guess ti comes down if you consider the profit movtive to be and of itself evil. I don't.
 
dudalb said:
I just have to point out systems where the Government has total control of the economy and makes all decisions have not worked too well.
I guess ti comes down if you consider the profit movtive to be and of itself evil. I don't.
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I don't either; no profit, no success, no jobs. However, businesses will not and do not regulate themselves if it means less profit which is why government must regulate certain things such as in safety and working conditions. Businesses will almost universally opt for profit over worker welfare.
 
To be fair, I'd rather have Bezos than Musk. At least Bezos seems to be sane. He's a massive bastard, but he's not orbiting Jupiter like Musk is.
 
Stacyhs said:
I don't either; no profit, no success, no jobs. However, businesses will not and do not regulate themselves if it means less profit which is why government must regulate certain things such as in safety and working conditions. Businesses will almost universally opt for profit over worker welfare.
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Oh I agree some regulation is required particulary in the area of safety and health. Other areas, I am more skeptical about.
My point is command economies...when government makes all decisions down to what products are made and which are not...and try to totally replace market forces with government decrees....have failed miserably.
 
dudalb said:
Oh I agree some regulation is required particulary in the area of safety and health. Other areas, I am more skeptical about.
My point is command economies...when government makes all decisions down to what products are made and which are not...and try to totally replace market forces with government decrees....have failed miserably.
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Other areas that the gov't needs to regulate are environmental practices as, once again, profits will always override concern for the environment.
 
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Fox guest columnist blames Biden as too slow. Congress also to do oversight so money in Ukraine does not go into frivolous things like supporting the civilians.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ukraine-war-wouldnt-take-long-biden-would-commit-victory
This is not only the morally right thing to do; it’s in the U.S. national security interest. With just over $30 billion just in U.S. security assistance, which is about 3% of the U.S. defense budget, Ukraine has crippled the military of America’s second-greatest adversary without placing a single U.S. servicemember in harm’s way.

Meanwhile, Congress will continue to conduct stringent oversight of U.S. funding to Ukraine, so the American people can rest assured their generous support is being used as intended in Ukraine.
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And once again, Biden has to clean up another mess left by Trump and the Republicans...

From: Yahoo news
President Joe Biden fired the architect of the Capitol (AOC), J. Brett Blanton, following bipartisan condemnation for his absence from the Capitol grounds during the Jan. 6 insurrection, and a report exposing his mismanagement of taxpayer funds and security lapses during the pandemic. Appointed to a 10-year term by former President Donald Trump...Blanton’s unceremonious ouster cements his status as the shortest-tenured architect of the Capitol.....He was quickly confirmed by the Republican-led Senate despite lacking a background in architecture like many of his predecessors.

This is such a perfect illustration of the current dynamics of the U.S. political system. Republicans screw up (in this case by having Stubby Mcbonespurs pick someone who probably was a bad pick right from the beginning, and republicans in congress going along with his pick), and the democrats have to fix things when things go sideways.

(I suspect the republicans won't learn anything, and the next potential autocrat that the republicans manage to put into the white house will do the same thing...make a bunch of poor choices, republicans in congress will go along, things will go badly, and the next Democratic president will step in to address the issue.)

Unfortunately, as the article points out, there are several Trump appointees who still work in the government (including, most famously, Dejoy, who is running the post office, and doing so very badly.)
 
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Segnosaur said:
And once again, Biden has to clean up another mess left by Trump and the Republicans...

From: Yahoo news
President Joe Biden fired the architect of the Capitol (AOC), J. Brett Blanton, following bipartisan condemnation for his absence from the Capitol grounds during the Jan. 6 insurrection, and a report exposing his mismanagement of taxpayer funds and security lapses during the pandemic.
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I can see the clickbait headlines on certain websites now.
"Biden Fires AOC for Incompetence."

Relying on their readers not knowing how the government works and knowing most of them won't actually read the article to see that it isn't that AOC.
 
Segnosaur said:
And once again, Biden has to clean up another mess left by Trump and the Republicans...

From: Yahoo news
President Joe Biden fired the architect of the Capitol (AOC), J. Brett Blanton, following bipartisan condemnation for his absence from the Capitol grounds during the Jan. 6 insurrection, and a report exposing his mismanagement of taxpayer funds and security lapses during the pandemic. Appointed to a 10-year term by former President Donald Trump...Blanton’s unceremonious ouster cements his status as the shortest-tenured architect of the Capitol.....He was quickly confirmed by the Republican-led Senate despite lacking a background in architecture like many of his predecessors.
This is such a perfect illustration of the current dynamics of the U.S. political system. Republicans screw up (in this case by having Stubby Mcbonespurs pick someone who probably was a bad pick right from the beginning, and republicans in congress going along with his pick), and the democrats have to fix things when things go sideways.

(I suspect the republicans won't learn anything, and the next potential autocrat that the republicans manage to put into the white house will do the same thing...make a bunch of poor choices, republicans in congress will go along, things will go badly, and the next Democratic president will step in to address the issue.)

Unfortunately, as the article points out, there are several Trump appointees who still work in the government (including, most famously, Dejoy, who is running the post office, and doing so very badly.)
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With Trump, the only qualification necessary is be his arse-licker.
 
Sherkeu said:
If I was the GOP (and maybe they dont have many gen x'ers deciding at top level yet, but they should!) I'd be salivating at the fact that they were fully backing an 80yr old white man...to start a 2 yr campaign slog. It's a gift.

In the SWOT analysis, it's a strategic and statistical advantage to GOP who have options... and by 'GOP options' I mean the whole of anyone wanting their name on the ticket, with or without approval from any rank. Just wait and see.

*My dream for 2024 is that there is such a quandary on effective candidates that some sort of 'Atlas Shrugged" campaign event happens where big innovators in industry, instead of disappearing, heavily back some independent party commoneffingsense candidates to get them on ballots and overthrow the 2 party stranglehold.
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Oh yes, lets replace a system that has some, albeit small, chance of reforming itself into something good for a system that is guaranteed to rapidly collapse into the worst form of feudalism.
 
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