The Gospel

[UrsulaV]

Since you're new, JMB, I'll try and spell it out for you:

1.) We consider it Unchristian to bash other people for any reason, including their sexuality, their beliefs (or lack, therein), or their politics. You may disagree with someone, but there's no cause to belittle or damn someone for that disagreement.

2.) We consider it Unchristian to continue to preach to people who have REPEATEDLY asked that it stop. We prefer to debate here, rather than preach at or to others.

3.) We consider it Unchristian to refuse to give direct answers to direct questions.

Got it?

In that vein, I dunno if it's unchristian, but it's at least counter-productive to come across as such an obnoxious individual and to represent your religion so dreadfully that parties reading your posts are driven even farther from Christianity than they were already, simply to distance themselves from the person makin' such an ass of themselves.

I maintain that Satan would give Kathy a gold star for her performance.

 

[Dr Adequate]

We can't see it but we know it exsists right?

Yes. It's like gravity. We can't see gravity, but we know it exists because we can see the effects of gravity. In the same way, we can see the effects of love, and this leads us to conclude that love exists.

And when we cannot see the effects of love, we must conclude that there is no love:

Are God and Nature then at strife,
That Nature lends such evil dreams?
So careful of the type she seems,
So careless of the single life ...

'So careful of the type?' but no.
From scarped cliff and quarried stone
She cries 'A thousand types are gone:
I care for nothing, all shall go...'

Who trusted God was love indeed
And love Creation's final law -
Tho' Nature, red in tooth and claw
With ravine, shriek'd against his creed...

(Tennyson, In Memoriam)

 

[veggie doll]

Why is the gospel such an offense to people?

It's full of hypocrisy and murder. And it's not nice to women.

Seriously though, I don't care if you do or don't believe in any God/s. Whether or not a God exists isn't what bothers me- it's just the way that people use the bible as some sort of flawless explanation/guide to life.
Even you must accept that your God did not write the bible whilst sitting on a cloud one day and then throw it down to Earth for us. It was written by people. Ordinary, sinning, uneducated people- prone to lies, exaggeration, omission and heresay. I think a lot of religious types forget this.

Believe in a Creator if that makes sense to you. But taking the bible literally, and living your life by it, is ridiculous.

 

[Ladewig]

I'm curious as to what you are calling a bad example of being a Christian?

[snip]

Just and example of course. In your eyes what should my behavior be to be a good example of a Christian?

Johny

I was referring to KK's posts. Posts such as the one claiming that hurricanes are sent to punish sinners, the one asking a victim of spouse abuse if she caused the beating, the several posts where she responded to being repeated told that the way she is presenting scripture is driving people away from the church by continuing to preach in the exact same way, the ones where she expresses confusion as to why people here are offended by the Gospel (they are not), and so forth.

Feel free to read all of KK's posts and let me know if she is being a good example of a Christian or a bad example.

 

[kurious_kathy]

I was referring to KK's posts. Posts such as the one claiming that hurricanes are sent to punish sinners, the one asking a victim of spouse abuse if she caused the beating, the several posts where she responded to being repeated told that the way she is presenting scripture is driving people away from the church by continuing to preach in the exact same way, the ones where she expresses confusion as to why people here are offended by the Gospel (they are not), and so forth.

Feel free to read all of KK's posts and let me know if she is being a good example of a Christian or a bad example.

I'm sorry if you feel that way, I never claimed to be a perfect. But the way you are pointing fingers reminds me of this example...Let him who is without sin cast the first stone! This is not what I am OK with. People who choose to judge others should first examine what is in their own heart...Don't you think? I think that is the most important thing that we all should concern ourselves with. God help us all have our hearts get right!

 

[johnymoonburn]

I was referring to KK's posts. Posts such as the one claiming that hurricanes are sent to punish sinners, the one asking a victim of spouse abuse if she caused the beating, the several posts where she responded to being repeated told that the way she is presenting scripture is driving people away from the church by continuing to preach in the exact same way, the ones where she expresses confusion as to why people here are offended by the Gospel (they are not), and so forth.

Feel free to read all of KK's posts and let me know if she is being a good example of a Christian or a bad example.

Actually, I admire Kathy's courage to post as she does. We may not all agree with her Christian Apologetics, but I agree with her courage.

I'm not one to preach a fire and brimstone eternity for the most part. The Bible is filled with metaphorical language.(not filled with faults) If I tell you I have a "frog in my throat" do I really mean I have a frog in my throat,?? or am I saying my voice is hoarse? The latter of the two of course.

If you chose to live your life here on earth apart from God, then rest assured, he is not going to drag you into Heaven kicking and screaming. The "hell" as it may be, I would more perceive as and eternity separated from God and his grace, equated with the pain of "fire and brimstone."

 

[wolfgirl]

Not only do I believe it, but I believe if God had not kept his hand on me I would not have lived through lot's of things in my life! Now I am free and walking in the light

Perhaps some of us are strong enough not to need the false comfort of an invisible friend to help us through bad times. I've lived through some very bad things, and I managed to do it all by myself, or with the help of my loved ones. I found strength in myself that I didn't know I had. I'm proud of the things that I've accomplished against all odds. And I'm especially proud because I know it was ME that did it, not a fantasy friend.

Now I don't mean that as some kind of arrogance, because what I'm saying is that, despite your belief that you wouldn't have survived without your god, you did. The strength that you give credit to him for, was actually the strength within you all along. Own it!

 

[geetarmoore]

Now I don't mean that as some kind of arrogance, because what I'm saying is that, despite your belief that you wouldn't have survived without your god, you did. The strength that you give credit to him for, was actually the strength within you all along. Own it!

AMEN!!!!

 

[wolfgirl]

I agree it would have been nice if a neighbor could have heard what was going on to come over and help. But that just did not happen. What is amazing is at the same time this was happening my husband knew it. I didn't say anything. He did not know where I was at the time. He put's it this way..."the Holy Spirit prompted him to pray." And right at the point where this person almost broke my neck...he let go. A certain pressence was there that stopped him. I say it was God.

So God didn't know you were in trouble until your husband told him? I thought he was omniscient!

I'm so confused...

 

[Jas]

I was referring to KK's posts. Posts such as the one claiming that hurricanes are sent to punish sinners....

Then why aren't hurricanes limiting themselves to San Francisco?

Or Canada?

 

[Cosmo]

I'm not one to preach a fire and brimstone eternity for the most part. The Bible is filled with metaphorical language.(not filled with faults) If I tell you I have a "frog in my throat" do I really mean I have a frog in my throat,?? or am I saying my voice is hoarse? The latter of the two of course.

Literary works from that period (1st/2nd century) were not filled with metaphorical language. Metaphor and other lingual constructs came around much later - you only see metaphors in the bible because modern translations have included them. I think it's fair to assume that the writers of the bible meant exactly what they said.

If you chose to live your life here on earth apart from God, then rest assured, he is not going to drag you into Heaven kicking and screaming. The "hell" as it may be, I would more perceive as and eternity separated from God and his grace, equated with the pain of "fire and brimstone."

If God is omnipresent, how could I be living my life on earth 'apart from God'? If hell existed and I went there, how could I be 'apart from God'? Either your god is not omnipresent or your definitions of life here on earth and hell are incorrect.

Furthermore, given that I currently consider myself separated from your god, how is it that I do not experience any "pain of fire and brimstone"?

 

[Ducky]

I'm sorry if you feel that way, I never claimed to be a perfect. But the way you are pointing fingers reminds me of this example...Let him who is without sin cast the first stone! This is not what I am OK with. People who choose to judge others should first examine what is in their own heart...Don't you think? I think that is the most important thing that we all should concern ourselves with. God help us all have our hearts get right!

But you've already judged us. You cast the first stone in this forum.

So you're a hypocrite.

 

[UrsulaV]

But you've already judged us. You cast the first stone in this forum.

And have kept up a veritable hail of rocks on a number of subjects, no less.

 

[Ducky]

Welcome to the forum.

Hear about us in church from kathy yesterday?

I'm repeating this question as it seems johnymoonburn ignores questions just as much as kathy.

So johny, were you informed of kathy's ministering here by kathy herself?

Didja hear about us in the conference room in the bunker?

 

[kurious_kathy]

I'm repeating this question as it seems johnymoonburn ignores questions just as much as kathy.

So johny, were you informed of kathy's ministering here by kathy herself?

Didja hear about us in the conference room in the bunker?

Why do you assume I know this person? There are many other believers out there. Maybe they just choose not to try to talk to atheists? Anyway I did not ask johnymoonburn to join in here. I did share what I was doing with CD my husband and then he decided to try to talk to a few of you professing critics. He just hasn't got the time to join in much here anymore.

Not all critics are atheists are they?

 

[Belz...]

I'm sorry if you feel that way, I never claimed to be a perfect. But the way you are pointing fingers reminds me of this example...Let him who is without sin cast the first stone! This is not what I am OK with. People who choose to judge others should first examine what is in their own heart...Don't you think? I think that is the most important thing that we all should concern ourselves with.

Ah! Fundies. How did I ever miss this thread before ? I love fundies. All they do is quote the bibble all the time as though it was the only book in the universe. They keep judging other people's beliefs, and expect theirs to be respected. They abhor logic, but try to make their own argument seem logical. They're walking, breathing ironies.

God help us all have our hearts get right

Who ?

 

[geetarmoore]

Not all critics are atheists are they?

I would think that someone with critical thinking skills would be critical in all aspects of their life....

Unless they were deeply brainwashed into the cult from birth......

 

[Ducky]

Why do you assume I know this person? There are many other believers out there. Maybe they just choose not to try to talk to atheists? Anyway I did not ask johnymoonburn to join in here. I did share what I was doing with CD my husband and then he decided to try to talk to a few of you professing critics. He just hasn't got the time to join in much here anymore.

Not all critics are atheists are they?

You and your husband openly invited others to come preach here at your forum. Why wouldn't I assume you do that often? Why wouldn't I draw the conclusion that those who come here and preach more scripture the same way you and your husband do are your recruits against us sad immoral and damned athiests?

 

[kurious_kathy]

You and your husband openly invited others to come preach here at your forum. Why wouldn't I assume you do that often? Why wouldn't I draw the conclusion that those who come here and preach more scripture the same way you and your husband do are your recruits against us sad immoral and damned athiests?

I was talking on another forum about a topic called what's up with avoiding the occult. Somehow one of the gals made a remark about an atheist point of view, and I did mention I had met many over here. I asked if anyone would care to talk to you guys,unfortunately most of them said it was not worth their effort as someone who has chosen to take this atheistic point of view would never be willing to hear anything a Christian had to say.

On the contrary other christians told me I should stop talking to you guys about anything related to Christ, as to you would never be willing to be open to it!

 

[Ducky]

I was talking on another forum about a topic called what's up with avoiding the occult. Somehow one of the gals made a remark about an atheist point of view, and I did mention I had met many over here. I asked if anyone would care to talk to you guys,unfortunately most of them said it was not worth their effort as someone who has chosen to take this atheistic point of view would never be willing to hear anything a Christian had to say.

And once again you demonstrate your wonderful listening skills. Interesting you said that it's unfortunate they did not join you. This betrays your motives to us. You are looking to get more people here and to convert and preach.

On the contrary other christians told me I should stop talking to you guys about anything related to Christ, as to you would never be willing to be open to it!

And they were right. Now leave us alone.