Matt Gaetz reported to be leaving the House

mgidm86 said:
And they are only revealing their narrowmindedness to those of us who already recognize it and are paying attention. Ask a random Fox-viewing Republican voter who Gaetz or MTG are and you are likely to get a blank stare. I do every time. Not exaggerating at all.
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I read that Fox is actually trying to ignore them as much as possible since neither is a good look for the GOP.
 
Career prosecutors recommend no charges for Gaetz in sex-trafficking probe

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/23/gaetz-no-charges-sex-trafficking/
Career prosecutors have recommended against charging Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) in a long-running sex-trafficking investigation — telling Justice Department superiors that a conviction is unlikely in part because of credibility questions with the two central witnesses, according to people familiar with the matter.
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New evidence could change the decision if they find any.

Ranb
 
Gosh that other system of justice looks nice to be a part of. Is the prosecutor going to send him a gift basket with a written letter of apology next?
 
Ranb said:
Career prosecutors recommend no charges for Gaetz in sex-trafficking probe

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/23/gaetz-no-charges-sex-trafficking/
Career prosecutors have recommended against charging Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) in a long-running sex-trafficking investigation — telling Justice Department superiors that a conviction is unlikely in part because of credibility questions with the two central witnesses
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Curious... I thought the case would hinge not on witnesses but on documents... what was her birthday, when did she travel, and who paid for the tickets.
 
Investigation into Gaetz dropped by DOJ

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/15/politics/matt-gaetz-justice-department/index.html

Prosecutors working on the case recommended against charging Gaetz in September, in part, because of questions over whether central witnesses in the investigation would be perceived as credible before a jury, CNN reported at the time.

But the final decision not to move forward with charges came from senior department officials. The DOJ declined to comment.
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Declined to comment? Okay don't we pay you guys?

Anyways I didn't really follow the case just reporting this.
 
I'm guessing from the fact the DoJ hasn't moved in yet is they don't have enough evidence to make a case. They have the testimony of his convicted friend. I'm not sure what else they have, maybe the Venmo payment and maybe the girl's testimony. But Gaetz can just say he believed the girl was 18 and he didn't ask to see her driver's license.

Anyone know of any more evidence the DoJ might have against Gaetz?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I'm guessing from the fact the DoJ hasn't moved in yet is they don't have enough evidence to make a case. They have the testimony of his convicted friend.
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This is one of the things that pisses me off. His friend is as much of a scumbag as Gaetz. He got a reduced sentence for a guilty plea and an agreement to assist in the prosecution of Gaetz that will never come.

If we were lucky they would have built in a clause into his deal that he only gets the reduced sentence upon a successful indictment or conviction of Gaetz but I doubt they did.

I'm not sure what else they have, maybe the Venmo payment and maybe the girl's testimony. But Gaetz can just say he believed the girl was 18 and he didn't ask to see her driver's license.

Anyone know of any more evidence the DoJ might have against Gaetz?
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Would they even need much more? Isn't child trafficing one of these crimes that you don't have to prove you "knew they were young" to get convicted?

And I know his friend is probably not the most credible witness but it should still have been enough to proceed with the case.
 
Segnosaur said:
This is one of the things that pisses me off. His friend is as much of a scumbag as Gaetz. He got a reduced sentence for a guilty plea and an agreement to assist in the prosecution of Gaetz that will never come.

If we were lucky they would have built in a clause into his deal that he only gets the reduced sentence upon a successful indictment or conviction of Gaetz but I doubt they did.


Would they even need much more? Isn't child trafficing one of these crimes that you don't have to prove you "knew they were young" to get convicted?

And I know his friend is probably not the most credible witness but it should still have been enough to proceed with the case.
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What evidence do you think the prosecutor has besides the testimony of a guy trading his testimony for a reduced sentence?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
What evidence do you think the prosecutor has besides the testimony of a guy trading his testimony for a reduced sentence?
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Well, I assume they would have basic documentation/information showing the basic facts (birth records showing the girl's age/travel logs/payment records showing that she did travel with Gaetz when under 18 and/or was paid by him.)

The victim herself told investigators that Gaetz had sex with her.

There was also Gaetz's ex girlfriend who at one point was was supposedly knowledgeable about some of his activities (and at one point was working on an immunity deal, although I'm not sure how that went.)
 
Near as I can tell:

NY Post: The prosecutors reportedly made the recommendation, in part, due to credibility questions with two central witnesses.
While the girl was 18 at the time of the trip, officials were investigating whether she was underage when her alleged relationship with Gaetz began.

Her testimony is one of the two prosecutors flagged concerns about, according to the Washington Post’s report.

The other person’s testimony that prosecutors were concerned about is that of Joel Greenberg, an ex-tax collector and former friend of the congressman.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
I'm guessing from the fact the DoJ hasn't moved in yet is they don't have enough evidence to make a case. They have the testimony of his convicted friend. I'm not sure what else they have, maybe the Venmo payment and maybe the girl's testimony. But Gaetz can just say he believed the girl was 18 and he didn't ask to see her driver's license.

Anyone know of any more evidence the DoJ might have against Gaetz?
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Maybe they're happy with a scapegoat?
 
mgidm86 said:
Maybe they're happy with a scapegoat?
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Greenberg was no scapegoat. He's a piece of crap, which is why a jury may not think him a credible witness. If the victim has problems with credibility...not that I'm saying she does, cuz I don't know...then that's another problem with getting a conviction.
 
So wait let me get this straight.

The victim's testimony in this pedophilia case is unreliable because she was underage at the time the crimes were committed.

The conspirator's testimony in this pedophilia case is unreliable because he was convicted of pedophilia.

That's the line they're going with?
 
Beelzebuddy said:
So wait let me get this straight.

The victim's testimony in this pedophilia case is unreliable because she was underage at the time the crimes were committed.
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I watched a youtube video by former prosecutor Glenn Kirshner discussing the case.

He pointed out that there wasn't much information about why she was seen as unreliable, but a likely scenario is that she might have been an uncooperative witness because she didn't see herself as a victim. (i.e. she saw Gaetz/Greenberg give her money/gifts)



He also points out that one of the issues is that the case was investigated by federal prosecutors, who tend to be much more timid than state-level prosecutors.

(Unfortunately he didn't talk about why other evidence, such as payment records, weren't enough to secure a conviction.)
The conspirator's testimony in this pedophilia case is unreliable because he was convicted of pedophilia.
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Well, not only convicted of child sex trafficking himself, but Greeneberg was charged with creating false IDs, identity theft, stalking, and more.
 
Stacyhs said:
Greenberg was no scapegoat. He's a piece of crap, which is why a jury may not think him a credible witness. If the victim has problems with credibility...not that I'm saying she does, cuz I don't know...then that's another problem with getting a conviction.
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I just meant they busted someone so why go after Gaetz? (conspiracy theory stuff). Kidding, kinda.
 
What a putz...

The Florida Republican then attempted to create a gotcha moment, entering into the record what he said was an investigative report by the Global Times, an English-language daily tabloid that’s a subsidiary of the Chinese Communist Party’s flagship newspaper The People’s Daily.

Gaetz, who appeared unaware of the tabloid’s propaganda links, cited the report in claiming that the U.S. had supplied weapons to the Azov Battalion as early as 2018. Asked if he disagreed with the report, Kahl calmly responded: “I’m sorry, is this the Global Times from China?”

“No, this is ...” Gaetz said before looking at the report in front of him and conceding. “Yeah, it might be. Yeah.”
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https://news.yahoo.com/matt-gaetz-s...070.html?soc_src=social-sh&soc_trk=fb&tsrc=fb
 
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