Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

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Bob001 said:
That's not the case to go to the mat on. A lot of people have reservations about the idea that taxes paid by people who never even went to college should be used to pay down anybody else's college loans. Add to that all the people who paid off their loans or went to state schools they could afford instead of borrowing to attend private schools, and add to that all the people who don't think they should have to pay for anybody's else's entirely discretionary decisions to go to law school or grad school, and you have a lot of people who would not be behind Biden on this.

I think there is justification to help some people in some ways. But Biden's plan is too broad and too unrestricted.
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I'm talking jurisprudence here, more precisely that on standing. Deciding against Biden is a massive escalation in that not only are they going to be hostile on the grounds of a suit, they are going to start deciding cases they have no real business deciding.

That's kinda huge.

That many people are twits who get mad about anyone coming after them having it easier than them is unfortunate, but that's a whole different thing.
 
Bob001 said:
Clinton's worst mistake -- among many -- was to campaign as if she had already won. Nobody likes to be taken for granted. If she had ended every speech with "This isn't over! I need every vote! I need your vote!," it might have gone differently.
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Basically. Me being salty about 2016 has nothing to do with policy. She ran a completely incompetent campaign in her messaging and allocation of resources. It should never have been that close.

In 2016 I was firmly in her corner and would vote for her without hesitation if she ran again as once you stripped away the bs about her kinda being an awful person she would have been the most progressive president since maybe FDR. That doesn't mean she didn't massively screw up 2016.
 
Segnosaur said:
Maybe, maybe not.

I suspect BernieBros can be divided into 2 categories:

- Those who actually wanted progressive/far left policies (Free college, single payer health care, etc.). They MIGHT be convinced to vote for Clinton, assuming they didn't fall into the mindset of "Moderate democrats are just like Republicans".

- Those less concerned about issues of policy, and more interested in a "burn it all down" mindset. They wanted someone to shake things up and didn't care if they were a lying con-artist right-winger or far-left non-democrat outsider. just as long as they weren't "the establishment".
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I'd add a small group of white rust belt working class for whom labor is the biggest issue. Sanders was solid, Trump at least lied and also appealed to their.. err... nativism.

Whereas they saw and still see, fairly or not, Bill Clinton as the liberal antichrist who sent all their jobs overseas and started all this political correctness stuff.

Probably not bigger in number than the other two but in a more vital place on the electoral map.

I still remain convinced 2016 goes the other way if we take all those "Trump is a misogynist" ads Hillary ran in the rust belt and replace them with ads with Trump saying "Wages are too high" on a loop.
 
bruto said:
Whatever it turns out to be, I presume that if they did shoot it down, an actual answer will be forthcoming. I'm holding off guessing, since crazy conspiracy theorists can turn a weather balloon into a floating doomsday, but crazy dictatorships can also do utterly crazy things and lie about them.
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I can't remember a story from recent memory where I felt less competent to even form an opinion.

It's just too weird and sounds like the plot device in a Don DeLillo novel.
 
The debris field of the balloon was 15X15 football fields, but the usual Republicans like Cotton, Cruz, and Comer are bitching about Biden not shooting it down over land where it could have killed people. This is debris falling from 60,000 ft. but hey, it gives these ********* something to moan about.
 
Right-wing domestic terrorism continues, incidentally.

Neo-Nazi leader and Maryland woman allegedly plotted to ‘completely destroy’ Baltimore, Justice Department says

Maryland neo-Nazi couple’s plan to attack Baltimore power grid fits domestic terror pattern

Electrical grid attacks seem to have become increasingly popular among the pro-fascism forces of the world, I suppose. At least this one was prevented.

Oh, and in other news, we've got another Biden scandal!

FOX News Says Biden is 'COMPROMISED' Because He Revoked Trump's Non-Existent Ban on TikTok

The really short version of what actually happened was that Biden revoked an unlawful, never actually implemented Trump Executive Order and replaced it with a legally valid review process Executive Order.
 
Aridas said:
Right-wing domestic terrorism continues, incidentally.

Neo-Nazi leader and Maryland woman allegedly plotted to ‘completely destroy’ Baltimore, Justice Department says

Maryland neo-Nazi couple’s plan to attack Baltimore power grid fits domestic terror pattern

Electrical grid attacks seem to have become increasingly popular among the pro-fascism forces of the world, I suppose. At least this one was prevented.

Oh, and in other news, we've got another Biden scandal!

FOX News Says Biden is 'COMPROMISED' Because He Revoked Trump's Non-Existent Ban on TikTok

The really short version of what actually happened was that Biden revoked an unlawful, never actually implemented Trump Executive Order and replaced it with a legally valid review process Executive Order.
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Monkey see, monkey do. They see their true master bombing power plants in Ukraine and want to emulate him
 
 
Bob001 said:
That's not the case to go to the mat on. A lot of people have reservations about the idea that taxes paid by people who never even went to college should be used to pay down anybody else's college loans. Add to that all the people who paid off their loans or went to state schools they could afford instead of borrowing to attend private schools, and add to that all the people who don't think they should have to pay for anybody's else's entirely discretionary decisions to go to law school or grad school, and you have a lot of people who would not be behind Biden on this.

I think there is justification to help some people in some ways. But Biden's plan is too broad and too unrestricted.
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As I alluded to earlier, there were two things Biden has done* that I disagreed with. This is one of the. Paying off student loans for people making up to 125k (or a quarter mil for a married couple) a year, is not much different than a tax break for the wealthy IMO. There are ways it could have been done that I would've agreed with. Like a surtax on high income for anyone taking the loan forgiveness.

*or in the case attempted to
 
wareyin said:
There have been several Nazi attacks on US power plants lately. Oregon, Washington, North Carolina, and now Maryland.

"Attacks on the infrastructure have been on the radar of extremists, anti-government groups for a good 30 years," said Blazak. "What a lot of people don’t know is many of those plots in the 1990s were started, but were thwarted by the FBI. They broke up a lot of planned attacks on power stations, on dams, and other infrastructure targets like that."
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According to reports, the 2 men who shot up a couple power stations in WA and got caught wanted to cause a power outage so they could burglarize some businesses. It wasn't a political act.
 
Can't wait to find out what the state of this union is.


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I can't get this forum to go to the last viewed post. Do I need to stay logged in at all times or something (Opera)? This is extremely frustrating. Sometimes it puts me back 5 days in a thread I'd just commented on two hours earlier.

It's probably a conspiracy to silence me. Totally understandable, I'd do it to me to.
 
mgidm86 said:
Can't wait to find out what the state of this union is.


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I can't get this forum to go to the last viewed post. Do I need to stay logged in at all times or something (Opera)? This is extremely frustrating. Sometimes it puts me back 5 days in a thread I'd just commented on two hours earlier.

It's probably a conspiracy to silence me. Totally understandable, I'd do it to me to.
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Send me money and I'll fix it for you.

Sincerely,

Donald Trump
 
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We're gonna create 100s of thousands of jobs!

Unemployment is at 3%!

Don't create too many jobs Joe! We're all working!

Factories are gonna be built! Airports, shipyards. And also...airports! Oh let's bring up iron workers for applause! Let's make those right wingers see how good we are!

It sounds silly. Oh wait this just in..."We're gonna buy American!"

I'm out, I got a video to edit. It's ok, joe is doing fine, I just don't need to hear it.
 
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Hasn't it been a lazy one-liner/applause fest for about the last few decades at least? I watched it cuz it sounded more interesting than a cable Seinfeld repeat or a streaming show. I'd give about a B grade.

Clearly he's running again, and can't say I'm totally against it -- but if he does, at least I hope some folks in his party buck the historical trend and challenge him. But don't have a particular person in mind right now.

A lot of pundits make it sounds like this is his 2024 SOTU, when he's there's still a looong time to go, politically. And part of my experience with political polling analysis is that the American attention span is such that little of what's happening today will not be remembered a year from now unless the economy steadily and hugely declines (if he's still alive). Usually after Labor Day of the election year is when most folks start paying hard attention to "who's running again this time?" unless you're above average in political activity/awareness.

One thing that was weird and I don't know how well it resonated: the assertion about non-compete agreements for fast food cashiers. Along the lines burger joint cashiers often(?) have to sign non-competes so they don't walk across the street to get paid more at another burger joint. It occurs but not very widespread and don't think it's a huge issue for people - especially when restaurants are struggling for employees. I've had to sign them in the business world and I'd suspect doesn't make it into the top 30 of problems facing the country, survey-wise.
 
PitPat said:
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One thing that was weird and I don't know how well it resonated: the assertion about non-compete agreements for fast food cashiers. Along the lines burger joint cashiers often(?) have to sign non-competes so they don't walk across the street to get paid more at another burger joint. It occurs but not very widespread and don't think it's a huge issue for people - especially when restaurants are struggling for employees. I've had to sign them in the business world and I'd suspect doesn't make it into the top 30 of problems facing the country, survey-wise.
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Probably not in the top dozen on anybody's mind, but it doesn't sound trivial either.
On January 5, the Federal Trade Commission announced a policy initiative that could be a major boon for labor. It proposed to ban non-compete clauses for all workers—no exceptions. These contracts bind tens of millions of workers today across nearly all occupations. The FTC estimated its proposed prohibition could increase workers’ collective earnings by as much as $300 billion per year.
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https://time.com/6249347/fight-over-non-compete-clauses/

If somebody can't take for a better job, especially at the lower end of the pay scale, he becomes his employer's prisoner. Nobody should want that.
 
I've seen lefty commentators commentating on that subject for the last month or so. He must have mentioned it in response to that.
 
Pence: Former Vice President Mike Pence tweeted after Biden's address that it "showed one thing: That it is time for new Republican leadership to get our Nation back to the strength and prosperity we had under the Trump-Pence Administration."
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Prosperity? It was more like a payday loan scam "prosperity." Time to pay the bill, GOP!
 
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