Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

[d4m10n]

The consensus has been overwhelming in favor of the adjunct professor and critical of the university, thus the negative press.

I'm happy to hear this, but how can you (or anyone) claim to know that the consensus would not have been otherwise had the university stood behind the adjunct professor? People complain when their values are violated, not when they are upheld. Even now folks like smartcooky are complaining about the sinfulness that the university foisted on at least one unsuspecting student who failed to read the syllabus in advance.

 

[smartcooky]

Is there anything sinful about being exposed to a depiction of Mohammad unintentionally?

No, but that is irrelevant, since the did so intentionally, and even warned tha class

Also, is there some good reason to think secular universities ought to be in the business of preventing sin being respectful of its staff and students' religious beliefs?

FTFY

Yes (after the FTFY, and not to your original ignorant, strawmanning question)

 

[smartcooky]

People complain when their values are violated, not when they are upheld. Even now folks like smartcooky are complaining about the sinfulness that the university foisted on at least one unsuspecting student who failed to read the syllabus in advance.

I hope you are well protected against lightning strikes... I wouldn't want to see you burn to death in all that straw you have surrounded yourself with.

 

[Darat]

I'm happy to hear this, but how can you (or anyone) claim to know that the consensus would not have been otherwise had the university stood behind the adjunct professor? People complain when their values are violated, not when they are upheld. Even now folks like smartcooky are complaining about the sinfulness that the university foisted on at least one unsuspecting student who failed to read the syllabus in advance.

And if it had happened on another planet it may have been different as well!

The "Oh but what if it hadn't happened as it actually happened" is not exactly a counter point.

 

[catsmate]

Yes, the similarities between being forced to recant your beliefs under threat of torture and imprisonment and being removed from an email list are striking and chilling. Another flawless analogy from the “cancel culture” hand-wringers. No notes.

And one can hardly think Staddon's [note, Stout got the name wrong] opinions regarding gender to be in any way as supported as GG's regarding planetary motion. In fact given his strident wrongness about some many subjects in the past. I rather suspect he's a the "reactionary curmudgeon" stage of academia and annoyed by the slating his 'New Behaviorism' theory has gotten.

That was a post on ideology and superstition vs reality and truth which I understand is a very difficult concept for cancel culture idealists. Fear not, we're on the path to a new enlightenment and shorty we'll enter a new age of reason.

Pathetic, but hardly unexpected from you.

 

[catsmate]

Here is a situation that might qualify as an attempt to cancel Jordan Peterson.
<snippage>.

Oh good grief, more Petersonian bollocks and fundraising.
Members of a professional society are subject to it's regulation, especially when speaking under the purported authority of a regulated profession.
I assume you consider the action taken against Wakefield, the anti-vax profiteer, to be equally "cancel culture"? Or are you limited to protecting the darling of the pseudo-intellectual right?

 

[wareyin]

That was well after the executive decision and done as a favor to all the sad woke faces facing criticism for being too authoritarian. It was an opportunity to laugh at conservative Fox news who read a tweet from an official source and thought it was true...twice.

A&W has thanked me for repeatedly suggesting they put the great root bear in drag and their lawyers have kindly asked me to stop harassing them.

I think I need to hit myself on the head with a hammer a bunch of times to really get where you're coming from.

You cited an A&W troll of the gullible who believe in "cancel culture" as evidence of cancel culture because something about "sad woke faces facing criticism for being too authoritarian"?

 

[wareyin]

Oh good grief, more Petersonian bollocks and fundraising.
Members of a professional society are subject to it's regulation, especially when speaking under the purported authority of a regulated profession.
I assume you consider the action taken against Wakefield, the anti-vax profiteer, to be equally "cancel culture"? Or are you limited to protecting the darling of the pseudo-intellectual right?

It reminds me of long ago, when Marilyn Manson was rumored anonymously to send out notices to churches that he would be performing with the hope/expectation that they'd protest outside his shows. Free publicity if they did, and bragging rights that "the churches were all hot air" if nobody showed to protest.

 

[Stout]

And one can hardly think Staddon's [note, Stout got the name wrong] opinions regarding gender to be in any way as supported as GG's regarding planetary motion. In fact given his strident wrongness about some many subjects in the past. I rather suspect he's a the "reactionary curmudgeon" stage of academia and annoyed by the slating his 'New Behaviorism' theory has gotten.

Whoa! A typo! Good catch, I feel duly chastised and embarrassed. While we're on the topic of corrections Staddon was talking about biological sex, actual real world facts on the ground stuff, not this feelz before reelz gender stuff some people are so enamored with.

 

[Stout]

I think I need to hit myself on the head with a hammer a bunch of times to really get where you're coming from.

If that's something you feel you must do to increase your understanding, then bay all means indulge yourself.

 

[wareyin]

If that's something you feel you must do to increase your understanding, then bay all means indulge yourself.

I see that you're unable to state your point more coherently. Such a pity.

"Bay" all means, feel free to try again some other time.

 

[johnny karate]

I'm happy to hear this, but how can you (or anyone) claim to know that the consensus would not have been otherwise had the university stood behind the adjunct professor? People complain when their values are violated, not when they are upheld. Even now folks like smartcooky are complaining about the sinfulness that the university foisted on at least one unsuspecting student who failed to read the syllabus in advance.

I’m going to go with “logic” as an answer to your question. It’s the same logic that tells me if people overwhelming vote in favor of chocolate as their favorite flavor of ice cream, those same people probably won’t also vote for vanilla as their favorite flavor of ice cream.

I’m not even sure what you’re arguing anymore. You refuse to engage with anything resembling specificity or consistency, refuse to provide an objective basis for your arguments, and have now resorted to fanciful “what if?” scenarios with no plausible basis in reality.

This is all Team “Cancel Culture” seems to offer. And you wonder why no one takes it seriously.

Are you actually trying to convince anyone of the validity of your position?

Because it really doesn’t seem like you are.

 

[smartcooky]

I see that you're unable to state your point more coherently. Such a pity.

"Bray" all means, feel free to try again some other time.

FTFY

 

[johnny karate]

“Cancel Culture” strikes again!

Nazi Homeschool Network Under Investigation by Ohio’s Department of Education

A couple in Ohio who were running a secret Neo-Nazi homeschooling network have been unmasked and are now facing investigation from the Ohio Department of Education. No word yet on the exact involvement of “mobs” but it is almost certain that they coerced the DOE into this course of action.

So much for academic freedom.

First they came for the Neo-Nazis indoctrinating their children with vile propaganda, and I did not speak out..

 

[d4m10n]

I’m going to go with “logic” as an answer to your question. It’s the same logic that tells me if people overwhelming vote in favor of chocolate as their favorite flavor of ice cream, those same people probably won’t also vote for vanilla as their favorite flavor of ice cream.

I'm assuming you are referring here to the faculty statement, but they are only a small subset of the people who might have called upon university leadership to resign.

I’m not even sure what you’re arguing anymore.

From the OP until this post, I've been arguing that folks like Danielle Muscato (and yourself) appear overeager to get people fired for making understandable mistakes, and that we have a handy phrase to describe this cultural phenomenon when we see it. People have argued that the adjunct prof deserved to be put out of work for failing to prevent offense to Muslims and other people have argued (badly) that the president deserves to be fired right now for overreacting as she did. In both cases, they are failing to consider other forms of remediation while leaping for the proverbial axe.

 

[johnny karate]

I'm assuming you are referring here to the faculty statement, but they are only a small subset of the people who might have called upon university leadership to resign.

From the OP until this post, I've been arguing that folks like Danielle Muscato (and yourself) appear overeager to get people fired for making understandable mistakes and that we have a handy phrase to describe this cultural phenomenon. People have argued that the adjunct prof deserved to be put out of work for failing to prevent offense to Muslims and other people have argued that the president deserves to be fired now for overreacting as she did. In both cases, they are failing to consider other forms of remediation while leaping for the proverbial axe.

There is zero substance in this post. Why are you so afraid to stake out a position and define it clearly?

 

[wareyin]

I'm assuming you are referring here to the faculty statement, but they are only a small subset of the people who might have called upon university leadership to resign.

Indeed, literally the entirety of living humanity might have called upon university leadership to resign. Probably some large number of dead people, too.

How many actually did, though?

From the OP until this post, I've been arguing that folks like Danielle Muscato (and yourself) appear overeager to get people fired for making understandable mistakes, and that we have a handy phrase to describe this cultural phenomenon when we see it. People have argued that the adjunct prof deserved to be put out of work for failing to prevent offense to Muslims and other people have argued (badly) that the president deserves to be fired right now for overreacting as she did. In both cases, they are failing to consider other forms of remediation while leaping for the proverbial axe.

Who defines "understandable mistakes", and how? Because right now, you've admitted you don't know much at all about that situation, so your "understanding" is also extremely limited.

 

[d4m10n]

There is zero substance in this post. Why are you so afraid to stake out a position and define it clearly?

To be clear, my position is that it was wrong to fire the adjuct prof (since she did nothing wrong) and also wrong to call for the firing of the university president, given the manifest weakness of the reasons enumerated in the faculty statement. In both cases, these women ought to be given the chance to keep working and learn from their mistakes. Those of you calling for their respective terminations are the embodiment of "cancel culture," going straight for the harshest punishment available because someone has different values than you do.

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[smartcooky]

“Cancel Culture” strikes again!

Nazi Homeschool Network Under Investigation by Ohio’s Department of Education

A couple in Ohio who were running a secret Neo-Nazi homeschooling network have been unmasked and are now facing investigation from the Ohio Department of Education. No word yet on the exact involvement of “mobs” but it is almost certain that they coerced the DOE into this course of action.

So much for academic freedom.

First they came for the Neo-Nazis indoctrinating their children with vile propaganda, and I did not speak out..

Oh No!!!! Nazis cancelled!!! d4m10n will lose his mind over this!!

 

[smartcooky]

From the OP until this post, I've been arguing that folks like Danielle Muscato (and yourself) appear overeager to get people fired for making understandable mistakes that insulted and offended people, and which were completely avoidable if they had even bothered to take a moment's thought before acting.

FTFY

and that we have a handy phrase term to describe this cultural phenomenon when we see it.

Yup, we do. That term is Personal Accountability.