Cont: The Biden Presidency (3)

[Aridas]

Weird. Maybe it needs an update.
Almost everything at my grocery just jumped up in price in the last month. Up from the incremental increases, that were not so bad.

12pk of soda is now $7.99 - on sale! - must buy 3!
For the very first time (in this country) I am going up to items I normally buy, I go to put them in the cart.... and then I put it back because of the price.

I'm sorry to hear that. With that said, a partial list of factors that could account for the noted discrepancy include local factors not following national trends, very recent developments not included in the last published 6 months stats in question, the prices that rose being overall countered by other price changes, and not just the ones in the grocery store. I'm not a soda drinker and I just got back from a little grocery shopping, myself. The prices for what I bought didn't seem either unusual or to have jumped to me, but that comes with the caveat that I rarely pay much close attention there. Milk prices did seem to have dropped slightly, though, from the last time I noted them.



In completely other news, Fox News has found a new scandal!

FOX News is OUTRAGED Because Biden Dares to Say He is 'Optimistic About America's Future'

 

[Segnosaur]

I had a home with an $1800 mortgage. Prices creeped up, I had to move for the school district. By the time my house sold, an apt that should have been 2700 (up from 1700 2 years previous) was suddenly 3700. That's what I am forced to pay now- and it is an apartment with people stomping on my ceiling on a daily basis.

Then I had to get a car when mine was on its last leg....you can imagine the increase there. I keep cars for over a decade so I did spend a bit on hat I wanted....but still. (wanted electric...but NO WAY! 5-10k premium.)

Yet house prices nationally are expected to drop roughly 12%. Granted that Is relative to a rather high peak immediately post covid. But it is still a drop.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-house-prices-fall-12-peak-trough-analysts-2022-12-02/

Car prices have dropped a little too. Still high but less than they were a few months ago.

And many places are experiencing a labor shortage, which may eventually start to cause wages to rise.

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[Stacyhs]

Weird. Maybe it needs an update.
Almost everything at my grocery just jumped up in price in the last month. Up from the incremental increases, that were not so bad.

12pk of soda is now $7.99 - on sale! - must buy 3!
For the very first time (in this country) I am going up to items I normally buy, I go to put them in the cart.... and then I put it back because of the price.

You need a bank loan just to buy a decent steak anymore. A gallon of milk can be $5.00. Prices are horrendous.

 

[Aridas]

A gallon of milk can be $5.00. Prices are horrendous.

Not going to argue against that, incidentally. The milk gallons I bought were about $5 each earlier tonight. The price had caught my attention, though, because I had been paying more like $6 each when I had last made note of it.

 

[Tero]

Strange how voters connect powers of president to real life events. It is true that the Reagans of the world can add some optimism to people but that is about it. And the same issue with congress.

The black senator candidate in wisconsin lost because Johnson went full law and order. Yet the US senator role has almost nothing to do with policing or bail issues in Wisconsin. Johnson implied that a black candidate would lead to antifa and BLM. Looting and riots.

 

[wareyin]

Strange how voters connect powers of president to real life events. It is true that the Reagans of the world can add some optimism to people but that is about it. And the same issue with congress.

The black senator candidate in wisconsin lost because Johnson went full law and order. Yet the US senator role has almost nothing to do with policing or bail issues in Wisconsin. Johnson implied that a black candidate would lead to antifa and BLM. Looting and riots.

Well, voters sorta do and sorta don't connect the powers of the Pres to real life shopping conditions. Right now, milk and egg and steak prices are high, so here in GA it's all Biden's fault. Same with the recurring supply chain issues with stores being out of some items.

Yet, back during the pandemic when you flat out couldn't buy cleaner or toilet paper at any price, I heard not one peep about that being Trump's fault.

 

[Tero]

Well that is a given. No Republican was ever blamed for any shortage. Trump with tariffs made a mess of us industry as we don't make all grades of aluminum, steel and copper here.

 

[Suddenly]

Personally, I hope Biden doesn't run again even though I think he's done a pretty good job. He's just too old for another term. At 80 years old, he can go downhill real fast. If we won in 2024, he'd be 86 years old at the end of his term. It's time for younger Dems to take over.

Yes, but who?

Hakeem Jefferies? I guess he's had a moment recently and at least looks the part.

Kamala Harris is on the outs as any sort of heir apparent, or at least I hope so else their handling of her image is criminally incompetent.

Really the party seems to be pumping up Biden personally right now rather than pushing the narrative of some sort of "next generation of young guns" angle. Which of course they are.

 

[pgwenthold]

Well that is a given. No Republican was ever blamed for any shortage. Trump with tariffs made a mess of us industry as we don't make all grades of aluminum, steel and copper here.

These days you will hear people blaming Biden for toilet paper shortages during covid.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Yes, but who?

Hakeem Jefferies? I guess he's had a moment recently and at least looks the part.

Kamala Harris is on the outs as any sort of heir apparent, or at least I hope so else their handling of her image is criminally incompetent.

Really the party seems to be pumping up Biden personally right now rather than pushing the narrative of some sort of "next generation of young guns" angle. Which of course they are.

Biden is running again. Biden was ALWAYS running again. Democrats need to do nothing new or different with Biden at the helm for a reasonable shot at reelection, so they're not going to. That's how this party works. Striving for better things opens yourself up to failure, failure makes you look weak, so you should never try and just wait until something lands in your lap.

These days you will hear people blaming Biden for toilet paper shortages during covid.

Well of course, he was Vice President for eight years under Obama and didn't do a single thing to protect America's vital TP supply.

 

[Bob001]

Yes, but who?
....

There are a number of senators and governors with good records and popular recognition who could be strong candidates. The question is whether they could beat Trump or a dedicated Trumper, especially with the Repubs working to suppress Democratic votes.

 

[Stacyhs]

Yes, but who?

Hakeem Jefferies? I guess he's had a moment recently and at least looks the part.

Kamala Harris is on the outs as any sort of heir apparent, or at least I hope so else their handling of her image is criminally incompetent.

Really the party seems to be pumping up Biden personally right now rather than pushing the narrative of some sort of "next generation of young guns" angle. Which of course they are.

I agree about Harris; she's done. Jeffries is a possibility. What we need is someone who fires up Dems, gets them excited to support him/her like Obama did. So far, I just don't see anyone who fits that bill.

There are a number of senators and governors with good records and popular recognition who could be strong candidates. The question is whether they could beat Trump or a dedicated Trumper, especially with the Repubs working to suppress Democratic votes.

NO dedicated Trumper will ever vote for the Dem candidate no matter what so that is not the demographic the Dems should even bother with. Total waste of time. Who we need is someone Independents and Republicans dissatisfied with Trump would rather vote for than Trump. And that isn't going to be someone like Bernie Sanders or a far-left candidate.

 

[lobosrul5]

Biden is running again. Biden was ALWAYS running again. Democrats need to do nothing new or different with Biden at the helm for a reasonable shot at reelection, so they're not going to. That's how this party works. Striving for better things opens yourself up to failure, failure makes you look weak, so you should never try and just wait until something lands in your lap.


Well of course, he was Vice President for eight years under Obama and didn't do a single thing to protect America's vital TP supply.

Was there an official announcement? I'm not seeing it on CNN.

If Biden runs I see 2 paths to him winning:

1) The economy keeps chugging along and inflation gets down to 3% or lower. Otherwise there are enough gullible idiots who will vote for Trump/DeSantis who will likely "win" with negative 5 to 6 million in the pop vote.
2) A split GOP. Trump loses the nom and runs as an indy. Or Trump wins and theres a moderate Nikki Haley or someone like that, 3rd party ticket.

 

[lobosrul5]

I agree about Harris; she's done. Jeffries is a possibility. What we need is someone who fires up Dems, gets them excited to support him/her like Obama did. So far, I just don't see anyone who fits that bill.



NO dedicated Trumper will ever vote for the Dem candidate no matter what so that is not the demographic the Dems should even bother with. Total waste of time. Who we need is someone Independents and Republicans dissatisfied with Trump would rather vote for than Trump. And that isn't going to be someone like Bernie Sanders or a far-left candidate.

Gretchen Whitmer? Just the assurance of taking Michigan gives the dem candidate about a 30% boost in chances of winning the election IMO.

 

[Bob001]

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And that isn't going to be someone like Bernie Sanders or a far-left candidate.

Not to digress too far, but that's a measure of how far to the right our whole political culture has shifted. Sanders' primary goals have been things like universal health care and cheap college and higher taxes on the rich, and those have been decried as radical socialist fantasies. But the fact is that Nixon supported universal health insurance in the 1970s, and couldn't to an agreement with the Democrats in Congress about what form it should take. State colleges used to be cheap, sometimes free; the phenomenon of five- and six-figure student loans is recent. And when Nixon took office, the top marginal personal income tax rate was 70%; for corporations it was as high as 46%. Today the numbers are 37% and 21%. Sanders is what used to be called a mainstream Hubert Humphrey Democrat.

I think Sanders is too old to run. But in 2016 he really did have a strong appeal to the working class. Apparently around 12% of the voters who supported him in the primaries voted for Trump in the general, and a lot more just stayed home. I think a Democrat could appeal effectively to the working class in 2024, even among the Trumpers.

 

[lobosrul5]

Not to digress too far, but that's a measure of how far to the right our whole political culture has shifted. Sanders' primary goals have been things like universal health care and cheap college and higher taxes on the rich, and those have been decried as radical socialist fantasies. But the fact is that Nixon supported universal health insurance in the 1970s, and couldn't to an agreement with the Democrats in Congress about what form it should take. State colleges used to be cheap, sometimes free; the phenomenon of five- and six-figure student loans is recent. And when Nixon took office, the top marginal personal income tax rate was 70%; for corporations it was as high as 46%. Today the numbers are 37% and 21%. Sanders is what used to be called a mainstream Hubert Humphrey Democrat.

I think Sanders is too old to run. But in 2016 he really did have a strong appeal to the working class. Apparently around 12% of the voters who supported him in the primaries voted for Trump in the general, and a lot more just stayed home. I think a Democrat could appeal effectively to the working class in 2024, even among the Trumpers.

There are a fair number of people out there that feel as though neither party has helped them in anyway. They typically don't vote, but when Trump came along they voted for him, as he was a political outsider. I think it was a sort of, may as well give him a shot. Hopefully, most of them realized that Trump did nothing for them and wont vote for him again.

 

[Suddenly]

Biden is running again. Biden was ALWAYS running again. Democrats need to do nothing new or different with Biden at the helm for a reasonable shot at reelection, so they're not going to. That's how this party works. Striving for better things opens yourself up to failure, failure makes you look weak, so you should never try and just wait until something lands in your lap.

Well, sure.

Why argue with success. I keep hearing that Joe Biden is one of the most successful Presidents in history and since everything is going so well it makes sense to put all of the eggs in that basket.

 

[Suddenly]

There are a number of senators and governors with good records and popular recognition who could be strong candidates. The question is whether they could beat Trump or a dedicated Trumper, especially with the Repubs working to suppress Democratic votes.

Ones willing to step out of line by challenging an establishment backed incumbent in the primary?

 

[Stacyhs]

Well, sure.

Why argue with success. I keep hearing that Joe Biden is one of the most successful Presidents in history and since everything is going so well it makes sense to put all of the eggs in that basket.

What have you been listening to in order to hear that?

 

[Stacyhs]

Ones willing to step out of line by challenging an establishment backed incumbent in the primary?

Exactly, which is why Biden needs not to run. But he can't declare that too early. I'm hoping he's decided not to run again and there's works going on in the background.