Electric universe theories here.

[Sol88]

Parker warned you. So DID Alvfen.


Your cartoonish version of the solar wind is dead. Do you think tusenfem may change his mind in the SOLAR WIND?

Or at least drop his scale down the the electron gyro radi…

@steenkh


Apparently all about scale.

Hope you understand, it’s a math thing. Tusenfem seems like he had the same idea as jd116 at one stage and I’d put a couple bob on, you think the same.

Ergo...

I don't think so, because as far as I know the solar wind is neutral, which would mean equal amounts of positive and negative moving at the same speed, ergo no current

tusenfem

Just ask him.

Then you can ask, like I did, what are we going to call these pervasive electric currents in the turbulent solar wind?

Birkeland currents was agreed, just between us.

Mainstream has multiple names for plasma instabilities being driven via electric currents.

Pretty sure we can do a lot of this down here on Earth, in a lab...oh wait

How far does a comets tail extend (cometary Birkeland currents)

As a historical tidbit, the solar wind was discovered because of comets. Imagine if Parker and ol mate Biermann way back in the ‘50’s, along with jd116 apparently, had known what we know now.

So, steenkh, all these ELECTRIC CURRENTS should have a common name.

Why not call em after Birkeland?

 

[jonesdave116]

@steenkh


Apparently all about scale.

Hope you understand, it’s a math thing. Tusenfem seems like he had the same idea as jd116 at one stage and I’d put a couple bob on, you think the same.

Ergo... tusenfem

Just ask him.

Then you can ask, like I did, what are we going to call these pervasive electric currents in the turbulent solar wind?

Birkeland currents was agreed, just between us.

Mainstream has multiple names for plasma instabilities being driven via electric currents.

Pretty sure we can do a lot of this down here on Earth, in a lab...oh wait

How far does a comets tail extend (cometary Birkeland currents)

As a historical tidbit, the solar wind was discovered because of comets. Imagine if Parker and ol mate Biermann way back in the ‘50’s, along with jd116 apparently, had known what we know now.

So, steenkh, all these ELECTRIC CURRENTS should have a common name.

Why not call em after Birkeland?

Because there are no Birkeland currents in the solar wind. The solar wind is quasi-neutral, as Alfven told you. And which you keep chickening out of addressing. You already think you know more than Tusenfem, despite being clueless about even basic plasma physics, are you now claiming to know more than Alfven? Wouldn't surprise me.
Your cult has no plasma physicists. It has nobody with a clue about plasma physics. It has no peer-reviewed papers on plasma physics. It is as relevant to plasma physics as flat earth is to geology.
That is the level that you are at.

 

[jonesdave116]

How far does a comets tail extend (cometary Birkeland currents)

And who is the idiot claiming that cometary tails are Birkeland currents? Nobody qualified in plasma physics, I'd warrant.

 

[Sol88]

Where does he mention Birkeland currents?

This difficulty is avoided if the emitted agent is assumed to consist of the equal amount of positive and negative particles.

Alfven before we had the Parker solar probe and before we mentioned the solar wind.

How’s a plasma, the solar plasma do that. Heat n gravity.

 

[jonesdave116]

How far does a comets tail extend (cometary Birkeland currents)

And who is the lame brain claiming that cometary tails are Birkeland currents?

 

[jonesdave116]

Alfven before we had the Parker solar probe and before we mentioned the solar wind.

How’s a plasma, the solar plasma do that. Heat n gravity.

Is a lie. Show where Alfven claimed Birkeland currents exist in the solar wind. You are making **** up again to hide your embarrassment about being totally ignorant about all of physics.

 

[jonesdave116]

How’s a plasma, the solar plasma do that. Heat n gravity.

It has already been explained to you countless times, in terms a child could understand. Not our fault that you are incapable of understanding basic physics.

 

[jonesdave116]

Why not call em after Birkeland?

Jesus, the stupid hurts!

 

[Sol88]

And who is the lame brain claiming that cometary tails are Birkeland currents?

Some dude…

Also, large spikes were observed in the MAG data, which are interpreted as flux ropes created by reconnection of the CME magnetic field and that draped around the nucleus. In Fig. 9BB an example of such a structure is shown in minimum variance coordinates [Sonnerup and Scheible, 1998], which has the classical characteristics of a flux rope, which means that there is a strong current flowing along the centre of the tube.

I was under the impression we had a gentleman’s agreement, at this time, to call them BIRKELAND CURRENTS.

Important here

Some plasma observations during three events: a sudden reduction of the piled-up magnetic field and an increase of energetic electrons, can be interpreted as the comet’s ionospheric response to tail disconnection events driven by the CIR.

Currents in cometary comae.

Solar wind interaction with comet 67P: Impacts of corotating interaction regions

During all events, the fluxes of suprathermal (∼10–100 eV) electrons increase significantly, suggesting that the heating mechanism of these electrons is coupled to the solar wind energy input.

Birkeland currents.

 

[Steve]

What’s your point? If you have one.

Maybe it's time you answered your own question.

 

[Sol88]

ULYSSES CATCHES ANOTHER COMET BY THE TAIL

The ability of CMEs to carry cometary ions far from their radial paths significantly increases the chance of detecting these ions", said Prof. George Gloeckler, Principal Investigator of the Solar Wind Ion Composition Spectrometer (SWICS) experiment on Ulysses that made the discovery. Serendipitous encounters with comet tails cannot replace dedicated missions like ESA's Rosetta. Even so, they are helping scientists to unravel the mysteries of these icy visitors to the inner solar system.

Imagine if they could see the electrons. The return current to the rocky body discharging in the solar “wind”.

Via BIRKELAND CURRENTS.

just saying.

 

[Sol88]

Dup

 

[jonesdave116]

Some dude…



I was under the impression we had a gentleman’s agreement, at this time, to call them BIRKELAND CURRENTS.

Important here Currents in cometary comae.

Solar wind interaction with comet 67P: Impacts of corotating interaction regions




Birkeland currents.

Not even close. Now show me where anyone is suggesting Birkeland currents in the scientific literature anywhere outside of magnetospheres.

 

[jonesdave116]

ULYSSES CATCHES ANOTHER COMET BY THE TAIL



Imagine if they could see the electrons. The return current to the rocky body discharging in the solar “wind”.

Via BIRKELAND CURRENTS.

just saying.

Not Birkeland currents, and nobody with a clue is claiming that they are. So, we are just back to you making **** up again. As usual.

 

[jonesdave116]

The return current to the rocky body discharging in the solar “wind”.

And more made up ****. No rock, no discharges. Don't you ever get sick of lying?

 

[jonesdave116]

ULYSSES CATCHES ANOTHER COMET BY THE TAIL



Imagine if they could see the electrons. The return current to the rocky body discharging in the solar “wind”.

Via BIRKELAND CURRENTS.

just saying.

So, let me try to get my head round this latest bout of ignorance ...........
you think because they are reporting ion detections from the Ulysses SWICS ion detector, that there are only ions in the ion tail? Surely not even you can be...... actually, yes, you probably could!

Guess what? The ICE spacecraft flew through the tail of comet Giacobini-Zinner, and only reported the electron detections! Did that mean that there were no ions present? Uhhhh, nope.

The electrons in a cometary tail are heading away from the comet in the same direction as the ions. In ~ equal number. They are not returning to the comet for unstated, impossible reasons.

 

[Sol88]

When we fly a probe thru Birkeland currents we detect an increase in the electron current.

 

[steenkh]

@steenkh


Apparently all about scale.

Hope you understand, it’s a math thing. Tusenfem seems like he had the same idea as jd116 at one stage and I’d put a couple bob on, you think the same.

Ergo... tusenfem

Just ask him.

Then you can ask, like I did, what are we going to call these pervasive electric currents in the turbulent solar wind?

Birkeland currents was agreed, just between us.

Mainstream has multiple names for plasma instabilities being driven via electric currents.

Pretty sure we can do a lot of this down here on Earth, in a lab...oh wait

How far does a comets tail extend (cometary Birkeland currents)

As a historical tidbit, the solar wind was discovered because of comets. Imagine if Parker and ol mate Biermann way back in the ‘50’s, along with jd116 apparently, had known what we know now.

So, steenkh, all these ELECTRIC CURRENTS should have a common name.

Why not call em after Birkeland?

I thought Birkeland currents was the name of a specific phenomenon, but you seem to want to apply it to anything with currents?

 

[Sol88]

Asked a plasma expert, called em Birkeland currents.


Basically electric currents everywhere we’ve bothered to look.

What would you call them?

 

[jonesdave116]

When we fly a probe thru Birkeland currents we detect an increase in the electron current.

Where have we flown through Birkeland currents? Who is claiming this? Name of the paper where they specifically say they have flown through a Birkeland current? Hint: no such papers exist. Unless we have flown through them in a magnetosphere.
Cometary tails? Errrr, nope. Just like in the magnetotail, that is a cross-tail current. Birkeland currents are field-aligned. Or didn't you know that?
Nobody is claiming that Birkeland currents exist in the solar wind. The solar wind is not a current. End of story.