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Accept my apologies, tusenfem.

A remarkable result is the occasional presence of periods of quiet solar wind with low levels of magnetic field fluctuations and coherent wave activity (Bowen et al. 2020; Malaspina et al. 2020).

The question was rhetorical...
What are the electrons up to?

Speed n density wise, any idea?

Seems it’s pretty quite, magnetically, whilst whistling thru the centre of a force free electric current.

Bundle all these currents together...MHD missies the majik.

But the reconnecting of these currents is the source for driving plasma instabilities.

Including observed double layers in the Earths electrical system.
 
Accept my apologies, tusenfem.



The question was rhetorical...

Seems it’s pretty quite, magnetically, whilst whistling thru the centre of a force free electric current.

Bundle all these currents together...MHD missies the majik.

But the reconnecting of these currents is the source for driving plasma instabilities.

Including observed double layers in the Earths electrical system.

What current?
 
Yeah,sorry, but that does not cut it, Sol88. A bit more explanation is expected from you. Just claiming that they are "obviously electric currents" shows that you are not even trying to support what you are writing.

What would have been good is when you would have written a description of what switchbacks are, or at least how they are defined, e.g. Dudok de Wit et al. (2020) write:



Do you agree with this, and if yes: why; and if no: also why?
What kind of currents are switchbacks (if they are currents at all)?

So many questions, so little time.

Any links to Bowen et al. 2020; Malaspina et al. 2020?
 
Currents...a collection of which is the solar wind.

These are the currents that you say do nothing (jd116)

Nope. You said the solar wind is a current. Alfven, and everybody else with a clue, says it isn't. And it cannot be for the obvious reasons already spelled out.
 
Okay, I am getting too old for this stuff, so let's start at the very beginning, a very good place to start.

Sol88's question if there are Electric currents in the solar wind?
That is an easy way to answer, in general space physics, and it is of course: YES.
The solar wind is a magnetoplasma and it would be absurd to think there are no currents in a magnetoplasma. HOWEVER, in Sol88's case we have to tread carefully, because of the background of this question, the EU claims that the Sun is electrically driven.

So, start at the beginning, what is a current? It is the flow of charged particles, which is defined as:

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where subscript k stands for all species in the plasma (ions, electrons), n is the density, q the charge and v the velocity. So if, as measured, the solar wind is quasi-neutral and, as measured, all particles move at the same velocity, then it is easy to see that you get J = 0. The bulk flow of the solar wind does NOT constitute a current.

Next step is to look at the magnetic field that is flowing along with the solar wind. This comes from the Sun and at far distances the dipole component is of course dominant. The rotation of the Sun makes that the magnetic field is wound-up in a spiral form, often termed as the "bashfull ballerina.

The interplanetary magnetic field eiter points towards or away from the Sun, but as magnetic field lines are closed, they are loops. Just like in the Earth's magnetotail, the field goes in one direction at one side of the "equator! and in the other direction at the other side. As we all (maybe) know, oppositely directed magnetic fields create a current:

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This creates the heliospheric current sheet:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d28c39dc4f.jpg

The current flows perpendicular to the magnetic field. Because of the spiral shape of the magnetic field, this perpendicular current has a radial component, see Israelevich et al. (2001). Their simulations estimate the total current to be I ~ 109 A. So this is, indeed, a global current flowing, because of the solar magnetic field and rotation. Note that there is no way that this current can power the Sun. But still, this is the only large scale flowing in what one could call a solar current circuit.

Then, of course there are other currents. The exploding promenences on the Sun, sending out coronal mass ejections, in the shape of flux tubes propagating fast through the slower solar wind (see e.g. Weiss et al. (2021). The rotation of the field inside has a current, and there are various other processes that can drive current sheets around the CME. Of course, with CMEs being only impulsive events, they cannot power the Sun.

The solar wind is turbulent, so the nice Parker spiral is only observed when you take a long-time average. This means that on small scales there will be all kinds of structures which can drive current sheets. I guess a good paper on the variety of current sheets is by Stefan Erkisson et al. (2022). We are getting here to smaller and smaller scales. Going to even smaller scales, there is a study by Khabarova et al. (2022) discussing the difference between electron and ion bulk velocity in small current sheets. But at this scale this has nothing more to do with powering the Sun, but still interesting what one can do with the excellent instruments of the MMS mission.

So, just a few words about the dos and donts of MHD. It was Hannes Alfvén's great idea that one could "simplify" plasma physics if one looks at large systems and long times (where large and long need to be defined). What are the characteristic scales in a plasma? That would be the gyro radius and the gyro period. Alfvén saw that if you look at scales much larger than the largest gyro radius and at times much longer than the gyro period, the individual motion of the particles does no longer matter and you arrive at a fluid in which the bulk motions are important only. So the kinetic equations are averaged over these scales and you end up with a hydrodynamic descriptino, and as there is also a magnetic field we can now work with MagnetoHydroDynamics (MHD).

Now, Alfvén complained about MHD during his Nobel prize lecture. The problem was that, with a new tool, everybody started using it willy-nilly, without checking whether the restrictions of MHD applied to the situation or not. So, in the beginning there was some junk published because of mis-application. Nowadays, plasma physics students get it hammered in that there are limitations to MDH.

But then, what to do when smaller scales get important? Well, in data analysis you have "all" the information (especially with MMS) and you just work with the data, then there is no discussion "is this MHD or not". You just see the relationships between N, B, E, v, etc. The picture is there.
But in numerical codes it becomes more difficult. I can make a grid for an MHD model, but if I zoom in then the motion of the ions becomes important. Then we get to hybrid codes, where the large scale is modeled by MHD, but in the areas (e.g. around a cometary nucleus) where the motion of the ions becomes important the kinetic equations are solved, which is done with Paricle In Cell (PIC) codes. And if you go even deeper at e.g. reconnection, you will have another scale for the electrons, where they have to be modeled kinetically.

Why not do it all the kinetic way? A simple answer: MONEY and TIME. Kinetic codes are very time expensive even on huge super computers.

Well, I guess this post is long enough, this old guy is signing off, So Long, Farewell, Auf Wiedersehen, Goodbye

For prosperity...
 
What current?



Spacecraft routinely observe electric-current-carrying thin
plasma layers, or current sheets
(CSs), in collisionless space
plasmas (e.g., Nakamura et al. 2006; Sundkvist et al. 2007; Greco
et al. 2009; Podesta 2017a; Azizabadi et al. 2021; Jain et al. 2021;
Khabarova et al. 2021b). In the solar wind, CSs are formed at
discontinuities that separate regions with differently directed
magnetic fields (Syrovatskiǐ 1971).

Routinely observe...CS structures are known to play a significant role in the development of turbulence and energy release in the form of heating or particle acceleration https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/ac71ab/pdf
Currents are doing nothing.” Jonesdave116.
 
Well ... YOU brought into play the switchback, so I assume you have something to tell us.
I have nothing to add until you deliver.

Summarizing, we report important properties of CSs formed in the turbulent solar wind that are associated with electrons becoming the main current carriers.

Umm...These currents seem important.

Before this study, the following question has remained opened: is it possible to find signatures of electron-dominated CSs in the solar wind plasma?

Existing methods of identifying CSs in the heliosphere are focused on ion-dominated CSs, mainly considering the magnetic field behavior and, rarely, the
behavior of plasma parameters (Khabarova et al. 2021b).

There have not been comprehensive studies of electron-dominated CSs in the solar wind, for many technical reasons.

What technical reasons are they tusenfem? MHD struggles?

Not much hope for me then is there then!
 
Routinely observe...CS structures are known to play a significant role in the development of turbulence and energy release in the form of heating or particle acceleration https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/ac71ab/pdf

Let me remind you what your cult leaders claim - that the solar wind as a whole is a current. Which is utter stupidity. For obvious reasons that Alfven spelled out. The fact that the solar wind contains currents DOES NOT make it a current.
Now, tell us how Scott has shown Alfven to be wrong.
 
'cause...



So, jd116 wouldnt even know what he's talking about. jd116

What you can't seem to understand is that currents can exist within the solar wind, without it meaning that the solar wind as a whole is a net current. Your retired EE claims that the whole shooting match is a current. He is trivially wrong. He doesn't understand what he's talking about. Let's take this from the early PSP results;

Halekas said:
As at greater heliocentric distances, the core has a sunward drift relative to the proton frame, which balances the current carried by the strahl, satisfying the zero-current condition necessary to maintain quasi-neutrality.

Electrons in the Young Solar Wind: First Results from the Parker Solar Probe
Halekas, J. S. et al (2020)
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4365/ab4cec

So, there is a current, and it is obeying quasi-neutrality! (Sol's head explodes!)
 
So what’s the best method to observe these electric currents? A big clamp meter?

'cause...

Even finding an approximate location of electron CSs is a difficult task, and case studies employing magnetospheric missions in the solar wind for this aim are extremely rare

So, jd116 wouldnt even know what he's talking about.
jd116?

Meanwhile, studying such CSs is especially important because simulations show that electron CSs most probably carry the largest electric currents in the solar wind (Podesta 2017b)

Under the reasonable assumption that Taylor’s hypothesis holds for magnetic field fluctuations at kinetic scales, Podesta (2017) inferred from his results that the most intense current sheets in the solar wind occur at electron scales and possess peak current densities on the order of 1 pA/cm2.

Here, this inference has been supported by a careful examination of the effects of the measurement bandwidth on the measured properties of current sheets using single-spacecraft data. This is the principal
conclusion of this work.
The Most Intense Electron-Scale Current Sheets in the Solar Wind John J. Podesta

Heads up jd116, your worldview is about to change.
 
'cause...



So, jd116 wouldnt even know what he's talking about. jd116?



The Most Intense Electron-Scale Current Sheets in the Solar Wind John J. Podesta

Heads up jd116, your worldview is about to change.

No it isn't. Just because you fail to understand why the solar wind cannot possibly be a net current, does not mean that basic physics is going to change to accommodate neo-Velikovskian mythologists.
 
No it isn't. Just because you fail to understand why the solar wind cannot possibly be a net current, does not mean that basic physics is going to change to accommodate neo-Velikovskian mythologists.

That's your dogma, sport!

The solar wind is a collection of ELECTRIC currents with the electrons doing the heavy lifting.

Do you have trouble reading or something.

Take ya blinders off and you may learn something (doubtful for a tr^$#)

Don Scott was right...outplayed by retired electrical engineer and neo-Velikovskian mythologist, ouch for the mainstream!

Fig. 5: The pitch angle of the helical total magnetic field, B vector, that encircles a field-aligned current changes continuously with increasing radial distance from the central axis of the current.

There are no abrupt quantum jumps or breaks in this angle’s change or in the field’s magnitude. One cycle (0◦–360◦) of the pitch angle is shown. The cycle is sketched at eleven incrementally increasing sample values of radius.

The shaded arrows show the total magnetic field direction at each value of radius, r, and the white arrows show the field direction at an increment just below each of those values of radius

As observed in the switchbacks!

:rolleyes:
 
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That's your dogma, sport!

The solar wind is a collection of ELECTRIC currents with the electrons doing the heavy lifting.

Do you have trouble reading or something.

Take ya blinders off and you may learn something (doubtful for a tr^$#)

Don Scott was right...ouch for the mainstream!

As observed in the switchbacks!

:rolleyes:

Nope, the solar wind is not a current. Want me to quote Alfven again? And Scott has never been right about anything re plasma physics. He is clueless.
 
Further from Don Scott

symmetrical pipes if you will pathways inside it.

how do they where's the return line anybody who knows anything about electricity realizes if you if you break the circuit and everything stops how do you get the stuff to make a loop the answer is it goes down and it comes back inside the same conductor at least it's capable of doing that...

Lets see if this holds true!

Counter rotation and counter flow.
 
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Don Scott was right...outplayed by retired electrical engineer and neo-Velikovskian mythologist, ouch for the mainstream!



As observed in the switchbacks!

:rolleyes:

Don Scott invented something that doesn't exist!

Scott: 'Birkeland Currents: A Force-Free Field-Aligned Model'.

Plasma physicist: "There is no such thing as "force free field aligned currents"
There can be a magnetic configuration that is force free, which may or may not include field aligned currents."

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=12870584&postcount=1982
 
A remarkable result is the occasional presence of periods of quiet solar wind with low levels of magnetic field fluctuations and coherent wave activity (Bowen et al. 2020; Malaspina et al. 2020).

Answered. :D Summarizing, we report important properties of CSs formed in the turbulent solar wind that are associated with electrons becoming the main current carriers.


Mainstream, you, have only recently “discovered” this.
 
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