Will Twitter outlive ISF?

[jeremyp]

You guys should find out how the sharemarket works.

People are prepared to pay $x for a share. Consequently, the company is worth that times the number of shares. If people weren't prepared to pay that much, the value would fall.

I learned that stuff first at high school in the third form. (Year/Grade 9)

But that's wrong. The current share price does not reflect the value of the company, only the price. Even then, it only represents the price of the last share sold, as you would find out if you had a lot of shares like Elon does in Tesla and tried to sell some of them. As soon as you start selling, the price will start dropping.

It's only a realistic guide to the price of the company if somebody wants to buy all the shares at once. Even then, the buyer may offer a price higher than the current share price, as Musk did with Twitter. That's why I was careful to say "Twitter was never really worth $44 billion except to its shareholders for a brief period".

 

[The Atheist]

Any guess how much it costs, or should cost, to run a forum like this with few users and small bandwidth requirement? Ballpark?

I seem to recall it was about $120 annually last I saw from icerat. Could be misremembering though.

That's about right, but only because icerat has his own servers to run it on.

Given the size of the database and the bandwidth required to service the forum if you were paying for a server to run it on it's cost about $3000 a year.

That's why I was careful to say "Twitter was never really worth $44 billion except to its shareholders for a brief period".

Market cap has stayed well over $30B for several years, so it seems like that would hold, regardless of Musk's involvement.

 

[Nosi]

ISF slowly fades away. Unless icerat decides to pull the plug, I'd say it's probably got 8-10 years left.

Twitter has a substantial value and I don't see any threat to it, so Twitter outlasting ISF would be my bet.

Musk is a nuclear bomb. Bye Bye Birdie!

 

[Nosi]

I find it funny that, by the logic of evaluating Twitter, you can buy a house for 10x the asking price, and then it's worth 10x as much.

Twitter would only be worth $44B if there were buyers ready to pay that.

Plenty of folk out there with more money than sense.

 

[Nosi]

Given that the forum is older than Twitter and is still here and viable, Twitter is just a relative flash in the pan. Mammals were way smaller than dinosaurs back then, but look who's the dominant species now!

Depending on who you chat with, dinosaurs are still around too. Kentucky Fried Chicken serves up T. Rex's little cousins.

 

[rjh01]

The time bomb for the deletion of this forum is already ticking. See this thread http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363347. In the old days, it would be fixed within days. But now our admin person is 20 years older.

 

[jeremyp]

That's about right, but only because icerat has his own servers to run it on.

Given the size of the database and the bandwidth required to service the forum if you were paying for a server to run it on it's cost about $3000 a year.



Market cap has stayed well over $30B for several years, so it seems like that would hold, regardless of Musk's involvement.

Your claim was that Tesla had a value of around $44 billion, not around $30 billion.

 

[Warp12]

"If a tree falls in the forest..."

 

[The Atheist]

Your claim was that Tesla had a value of around $44 billion, not around $30 billion.

Yes, and?

It has a value of $44B and it has had a long-term value of over $30B.There is no contradiction there. The long-term value fully supports the current valuation.

Apple used to be worth a couple of grand - what do you think its current value is: a couple of grand, or the market cap of a couple of trillion?

 

[The Atheist]

The time bomb for the deletion of this forum is already ticking. See this thread http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=363347. In the old days, it would be fixed within days. But now our admin person is 20 years older.

Ouch.

Twitter by more than a decade then.

 

[mgidm86]

I seem to recall it was about $120 annually last I saw from icerat. Could be misremembering though.

Ok, ya I'm thinking shared server at this point. As far as money goes anyone could pay that. Other headaches from running a forum, I dunno.

It would be cool if someone who cared enough could make this a website like JREF was. Articles, a sense of purpose, Youtube channel. I'd be willing to help.

LOL and talk about polar opposites....Twitter vs ISF. Twitter should die.

 

[jeremyp]

Yes, and?

It has a value of $44B and it has had a long-term value of over $30B.There is no contradiction there. The long-term value fully supports the current valuation.

Twitter does not have a value of $44 billion just because a man once offered to pay $44 billion. It is not worth that much money. It wasn’t worth that much when he bought it for $44 billion except to its shareholders.

Apple used to be worth a couple of grand - what do you think its current value is: a couple of grand, or the market cap of a couple of trillion?

Market capitalisation and value are really not the same thing. If everybody started selling Apple shares, it’s market cap would go down but that wouldn’t fundamentally affect its assets and profitability.

Also, don’t forget that Twitter no longer has a market capitalisation and when it did, it wasn’t $44 billion.

 

[The Atheist]

It is not worth that much money. It wasn’t worth that much when he bought it for $44 billion except to its shareholders.

That is truly legendary.

Read it again, this time with your eyes open.

"This house sold for $1M but it's only valued at $1M because that's what someone paid for it.

Market capitalisation and value are really not the same thing.

Oh. My. God.

Even I don't have a facepalm emoji for that.

 

[d4m10n]

Twitter should die.

Why?

 

[mgidm86]

Why?

The question was "will twitter outlive ISF?". I compared ISF to Twitter in that post. ISF should not be the one that dies.

Like Trump, Twitter is a financial loser that is full of lies and misinformation.

 

[rjh01]

That is truly legendary.

Read it again, this time with your eyes open.

"This house sold for $1M but it's only valued at $1M because that's what someone paid for it.



Oh. My. God.

Even I don't have a facepalm emoji for that.

There are several ways of valuing a company.
1. Multiply the number of shares by their value.
2. What the Annual report says the assets are worth
3. If the company is broken up and sold what it would be worth.
4. If the management changes and they make changes that fixes the current issues.
5. Value based on current profit.
6. Value based on future profit.

I am sure there are others. So a company such as twitter can have several different values all at the same time.

 

[d4m10n]

Like Trump, Twitter is a financial loser that is full of lies and misinformation.

Every well-subscribed social medium is filled with lies and misinformation. Some of them even let people openly argue for conspiracy theories and homeopathy and such.

 

[Dr. Keith]

That is truly legendary.

Read it again, this time with your eyes open.

"This house sold for $1M but it's only valued at $1M because that's what someone paid for it.



Oh. My. God.

Even I don't have a facepalm emoji for that.

Do you think it’s worth $44m today?

 

[The Atheist]

No, $38B currently.

 

[jeremyp]

That is truly legendary.

Read it again, this time with your eyes open.

"This house sold for $1M but it's only valued at $1M because that's what someone paid for it.



Oh. My. God.

Even I don't have a facepalm emoji for that.

Oh for ***** sake. You said Twitter is worth $44 billion, not it was worth $44 billion in late October.Do you not understand that prices can go down as well as up?

Even in October, it wasn't really worth $44 billion because Musk overpaid for it.