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lobosrul5
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Putting mass emplacements of Phalanxes might be very effective in protecting cities from missile and drone attacks. But a problem is going to be the millions of 20mm bullets falling out of the sky. Each one weighs about a quarter pound (I say this because Mythbusters proved that falling bullets aren't usually fatal but they were testing 9mm, and these weigh many times more).
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Yeah, that's the only downside (And it's a big one) to that. I was thinking, while watching it, 'I'd hate to be downrange of that *************!'
The bulk of 20 mm projectiles are HE and self-destruct after a few seconds, usually (he said with 15% confidence) after about 2,000 meters. But that still leaves a lot of AP and sub-caliber metal, not counting dud HE. Not the sort of munitions to fire over land with civvies in it.
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Plus, that's only if they're falling basically straight down. If you fire at a low angle, the bullet can still have considerable horizontal velocity as it falls, and can still be quite deadly. Phalanx is meant to engage missiles at a distance, so it's not going to be shooting straight up.
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That's very plausible. It's definitely the sort of thing they would be willing to do.
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If that's true, I'll be interested in how intensely Putin plans on locking down the civilian escape routes.
Reformed Offlian
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If that happens, let's hope he ends up with a serious girl power crisis on his hands.
Parsman
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Aw heck! What will happen to all the Russian bride sites on the internet as their inventory goes down!
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Does anyone know anything about Goalkeeper? IIRC, it's a British low-tech invention that's basically a Gatling gun with a radar attached, and is designed to shoot down incoming missiles. Could that be utilised in Ukraine?
Might even be a pussy riot...
jeremyp
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Wikipedia says it's Dutch and, while the British did operate it, they have replaced it with Phalanx.
There are several similar systems.
The Vulcan phalanx whch also has had a land based system before.
The Gepard is probably a more appropriate system as the development is done, and it's in service in Ukraine.
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Cheer up! At the same time, the number of ads for Ukrainian dating sites are going up!
Craig4
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A) You don't have a plan. Foreign ministers, world leaders, major NGOs and their staffs have plans. You have an idea that can't get past the horse-holders of the horse-holders.
B) You are right that Crimea rejects the unlawful occupation of all its territory by the orcs. This includes Crimea.
C) No one is going to do what you want. We know the orcs and their fellow-travelers want sanctions lifted but that won't happen until Russia returns to their 2013 borders.
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There will most likely be a glut of Russian brides available in the near future. Most will be war widows though.
You're right when you point out that I am no political dignitary (Oh! Btw! Who said something like "Michel H"'s plan has been adopted by India, before deleting his post?).
Nevertheless, current world leaders are clearly struggling with this crisis (they say very different and divergent things, one can't build a plan on that, so missiles and bombs are "talking").
So I believe, my simple plan is a compromise solution (based on a lot of study, even if it fails being extremely smart) which could be useful, in my opinion (and I have lots of peace plans like that for other issues, like Koreas, China, Palestine, Kosovo ...).
Under the plan I have devised, Russia would only keep the two people's republics of Donbass, and Crimea, that's it. Ukraine would remain neutral, water would flow in the North Crimean Canal for your friends the Russia-loving Crimeans, and sanctions would be lifted.
Craig4
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Your plan is nothing. Ukraine has already decided against anything like it. Ukraine knows that their security depends on destroying Russian war potential. The price for your peace is higher than the price of continued war so they won't do what you suggest. NATO knows that our security for the next generation is greatly enhanced by a destroyed Russian war potential so we're going to keep supporting Ukraine in expelling the orcs from their territory without regard to Russian claims of annexation.
I know you're going to say the filthy lowlifes who run Russia said their was a vote but Russian claims don't count for anything and need not detain us.
jeremyp
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What do you mean by the people's republic of Donbass[sic]. Are you suggesting it should consist only of the bit that Russia currently controls, or all of Donbas?
So there would have to be a treaty because, if Russia retreats from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Ukraine will have control of the source of water fro the Crimean canal. How would such a treaty be enforced bearing in mind Russia is totally untrustworthy and without honour?
Why? I can see why such a peace treaty might lead to lifting of the most recent sanctions, but there's no need to lift the ones put in place because Russia illegally annexed Crimea.
Don't spend too much time on the question because we know that the Ukrainians want their country back and nothing less will be acceptable. They will also want to be sure Russia can't invade again. Does your peace plan include NATO membership for Ukraine?
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