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[BobTheCoward]

So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to? That it is ok to actively attempt to silence them? The particular objection is hardly the main point, here.

Unless the position is, "I approve of xyz, therefore nobody else is deserving of a voice".

No one is being silenced

 

[Upchurch]

So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to?

That is definitely what you are saying by taking away my choice as a parent.

 

[Lothian]

So are you saying that parents should not have a voice in a what their children are exposed to? That it is ok to actively attempt to silence them? The particular objection is hardly the main point, here.

Unless the position is, "I approve of xyz, therefore nobody else is deserving of a voice".

Everyone has a voice.

As to what their kids are exposed to, are you aware that parents can choose what shows to take their kids to?

The silencing point is interesting given the group reported are not simply trying to limit what their kids are exposed to they are trying to limit what all children are exposed to.

Do you agree with them? Do you support the banning of all adults dressing as a member of the opposite sex where children are present?

 

[Armitage72]

Tangentially related, but for all the talk of “parental choice”, they seem determined to remove choices from parents who don’t suffer from retro gay panic.

Just as "freedom of religion" usually means "freedom to make everyone else follow my religion", "parental choice" means "force all other parents to make the same choices as me".

 

[Warp12]

Do you support the banning of all adults dressing as a member of the opposite sex where children are present?

No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events.

But again, this is more about the whole concept of silencing parental concerns, imo. It is a common liberal theme, these days. My individual concerns about Drag Queens are minor in the grand scheme, and I have no interest in continuously debating them.

 

[The Don]

No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events.

But again, this is more about the whole concept of silencing parental concerns, imo. It is a common liberal theme, these days. My individual concerns about Drag Queens are minor in the grand scheme, and I have no interest in continuously debating them.

Where/what is the harm which needs to be mitigated with age appropriate restrictions ?

 

[Lothian]

No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events. .

I too support the parents being able to choose what their kids go to. I also agree with you on age restrictions. Under 2 years old they have no attention span and are likely to attention seek distracting from the performance.

But again, this is more about the whole concept of silencing parental concerns, imo. It is a common liberal theme, these days. My individual concerns about Drag Queens are minor in the grand scheme, and I have no interest in continuously debating them.

Yet you are siding with those seeking to impose their views on others? Hypocrite much?

 

[BobTheCoward]

By your logic why do we need to restrict alcohol, tobacco, movies?

I am not convinced we do. I think anyone who has left the bubble of the US has been to first world nations with far different stances on these and it turns out fine.

 

[Warp12]

Yet you are siding with those seeking to impose their views on others? Hypocrite much?

That is an odd take on what I have stated. I'm siding with parents having a voice. I am not advocating to silence their voices, as is being championed by some.

No, I don't support the universal ban you mention. I support parents having a voice, and I support age-appropriate restrictions be in place for such events.

Hard to make it much more clear than that, I'd say.

 

[BobTheCoward]

That is an odd take on what I have stated. I'm siding with parents having a voice. I am not advocating to silence their voices, as is being championed by some.





Hard to make it much more clear than that, I'd say.

Can you please say what that voice is being used to do? To take away my parental rights, right?

 

[Warp12]

Can you please say what that voice is being used to do? To take away my parental rights, right?

First, I don't agree with that being the intent.

But are you saying that your concerns trump someone else's right to have a voice?

Sure seems to be what you have been continuously promoting.

 

[Foster Zygote]

These bigots are so sexually repressed. It must be horrible living like that.

Like I said, they seem to think about gay sex more than gay people do. I'm sure it's nothing like Ted Haggard syndrome, though.

 

[BobTheCoward]

First, I don't agree with that being the intent.

But are you saying that your concerns trump someone else's right to have a voice?

Sure seems to be what you have been continuously promoting.

A) It is the intent. There is a movement to ban it

B) no one is being silenced

 

[Lothian]

That is an odd take on what I have stated. I'm siding with parents having a voice. I am not advocating to silence their voices, as is being championed by some.

Hard to make it much more clear than that, I'd say.

I take it that you are therefore against the group in the op who are trying to get people to report shows so they can try to get the shows stopped. Disrupting their activity of denying parenteral choice is something you should support.

 

[Warp12]

I take it that you are therefore against the group in the op who are trying to get people to report shows so they can try to get the shows stopped. Disrupting their activity of denying parenteral choice is something you should support.

They are giving parents a voice, a venue to express concern. It seems to be an activist organization. Activism is not just isolated to liberal concerns, after all. If there is a website to report a concern of liberal parents, I am not going to spam it in attempt to silence them.

But again, we are losing sight of the issue. Why is it acceptable to silence the voices of these (or any) parents? What is wrong with expressing concerns about activities/events that your child may be exposed to against your wishes?

 

[Darat]

That is not what we are addressing, here. We are addressing matters where children are potentially part of the audience, or indeed the targeted audience.

We are also addressing the justifications being put forth that any such parental concerns should be silenced. Which is actually the larger issue, imo.

You might be but no one else in this thread has done so. Everyone else apart from you seems to be all for parental choice.

 

[Darat]

Bob, do you think there is a possibility that some of these shows are unrestricted? Or that a child might attend without parental consent, or with someone besides a parent or legal guardian? Do you think parents can be all places, at all times?

By your logic why do we need to restrict alcohol, tobacco, movies? After it is just a simple matter of the parent handling such matters at all times, right? Honestly, I find your argument ridiculous and not worthy of further consideration.

And you still haven't explained why it is acceptable to attempt to silence the voices of concerned parents, as some here seem to be advocating.

And here I was thinking the Puritans had died out.

 

[Warp12]

You might be but no one else in this thread has done so. Everyone else apart from you seems to be all for parental choice.

Huh? Did you not read the points about spamming the website, and someone clearly stating that they did so? Also others have been arguing the point that silencing the parents is acceptable.

Perhaps read the thread over, starting from the top.

 

[Darat]

So ...snip...

Snipped out your straw men arguments.

So let me address what remains.


Oh...

 

[BobTheCoward]

What is wrong with expressing concerns about activities/events that your child may be exposed to against your wishes?

This is not a free speech question here and just about the view in general. and there are many reasons

1) Any exposure against their wishes is still ultimately a parenting decision within their family. If the child cannot be trusted by themselves or with another guardian, that is an issue for that family and not other parents in attendance.

2) You discussed age restrictions, which is fundamentally an attack on my ability to choose how I parent.