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Warpie seems to think that people he approves of should be able to ignore their contractual obligations without penalty.
Merged Musk buys Twitter!/ Elon Musk puts Twitter deal on hold....
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TragicMonkey
Poisoned Waffles
Even where it's not covered by contracts one shouldn't trust those who've demonstrated repeatedly that they are untrustworthy. As both a worker and an investor I'd abandon any company headed by someone who made so many mad public statements, sudden ill-considered changes in policy, lies, reversals, and self-promotion.
newyorkguy
Penultimate Amazing
[IMGW=400]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=1457&pictureid=13255[/IMGW]
Not only does it sound like Musk is acting like a total dirtbag, worse, he suddenly doesn't seem to be a very good business person, either. Of course, if you read some of what has been written by people at Tesla, he has always been childish, impulsive and not much fun to work for.
Not only does it sound like Musk is acting like a total dirtbag, worse, he suddenly doesn't seem to be a very good business person, either. Of course, if you read some of what has been written by people at Tesla, he has always been childish, impulsive and not much fun to work for.
Correction accepted.
Is that a verified claim that is pictured? Or do we just use random tweets as evidence at this point?
shemp
a flimsy character...perfidious and despised
It will take some time, but I look forward to Melonhead Muskrat being sued into oblivion.
newyorkguy
Penultimate Amazing
Melonhead Muskrat? I like that, has a ring to it.
By the way, about the Tweet I posted. It has the blue check mark on top.
Melonhead Muskrat? I like that, has a ring to it.
By the way, about the Tweet I posted. It has the blue check mark on top.
https://twitter.com/petergyang
almost as though the Twitter Blue was an astoundingly stupid idea
junkshop
Otto's Favourite
It's exactly as verified as any of Musk's tweets announcing new company policies.
What's good for the goose &c.
tyr_13
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I'm pretty sure I said it in this thread already, but, 'If you don't let me exploit you, you're a weakling' is such the **** take.
It obviously means the weak person is the one desperate and/or stupid enough to think that another person using the power they have to walk away means they are conceding they can't do the task.
'Bend down and tie my shoes for me and I'll pay you a gum wrapper and a smack in the face.'
'No, I'm leaving.'
'Weakling, no one wants to work anymore. It's your fault if my company collapses.'
Sure Elon, that's how it works.
Blue Mountain
Resident Skeptical Hobbit
As others have noted, with both SpaceX and Tesla there was a layer of management between Musk and the rest of the company, a layer that wasn't always 100% acquiescent to his idea, whims, and demands. Surely he noticed this. What may be happening is Musk believes Tesla and SpaceX could have been so much better if there wasn't a group of people getting between him and all the brilliant ideas he has of how to run a company, and he's going to prove it with Twitter.
The first thing Musk did when he got control of Twitter was to fire four of the top brass: the CEO, the CFO, the chief legal officer, and the general counsel. He has a very direct say in how Twitter runs and very few people who can push back or act as a filter.
Whether he is a brilliant as he thinks he is remains to be seen. With his considerable fortune he can prop up the company for a long time if he feels he needs to in order to implement his vision.
The first thing Musk did when he got control of Twitter was to fire four of the top brass: the CEO, the CFO, the chief legal officer, and the general counsel. He has a very direct say in how Twitter runs and very few people who can push back or act as a filter.
Whether he is a brilliant as he thinks he is remains to be seen. With his considerable fortune he can prop up the company for a long time if he feels he needs to in order to implement his vision.
Susheel
Illuminator
Well, I don't think Warp12 is a communist or a socialist, so there a good start.
I don't think people like Warp even know what those words mean though they are very free with labelling others as such. I might be considered a communist and/or socialist, however I am absolutely certain that I don't adhere to any of the almost chimeric qualities that those like Warp attach to these terms.
jeremyp
Philosopher
Oh my word
https://elongoat.io/#home
Some Muskrats have created a "monument" to Elon Musk and have been parading it around the USA on the back of a lorry and they are going toabandon it in the carpark of Tesla's Texas factory gift it to Elon Musk.
They have also created a crypto currency token, because of course they would.
The statue seems to be an Elon sphinx humping a SpaceX Starship. The head is 6 feet high.
https://elongoat.io/#home
Some Muskrats have created a "monument" to Elon Musk and have been parading it around the USA on the back of a lorry and they are going to
They have also created a crypto currency token, because of course they would.
The statue seems to be an Elon sphinx humping a SpaceX Starship. The head is 6 feet high.
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Gulliver Foyle
Philosopher
One great way to lose users is to start charging for something previously given away for free. If Musk tried to put a fee on Twitter users most of them would leave. And that would be a disaster because users are Twitter's product not their customers.
angrysoba
Philosophile
At this point I think that any chance that Musk might make a serious go of Twitter seems long gone.
The supposed council never materialized and Musk has now said he only offered it to help ease the minds of the advertisers but has since claimed they were in the wrong so abandoned any semblance of writing serious TOS’s by the looks of things. Now that the ghouls have been let back on the platform advertisers have pulled out.
Some Twitter users have quit such as Sam Harris. This may not be a particularly big deal but it does seem that Harris and Musk were friendly and would see each other’s tweets.
Advertisers also complain that they can’t even get their usual representatives to work with them, probably because they have quit or been fired, and the interface for doing ads has become buggy.
Musk has just today also been tweeting about how some of the infrastructure went wrong causing Twitter to not work properly for a while.
Pretty sure that this is NOT 5D chess.
Can I ask those supporters of Musk, particularly right-wing ones, what your response would be if I told you there was this African-American guy who smokes dope with a string of baby mothers and ten kids spending all his time **** posting on Twitter all day, living off government hand-outs?
The supposed council never materialized and Musk has now said he only offered it to help ease the minds of the advertisers but has since claimed they were in the wrong so abandoned any semblance of writing serious TOS’s by the looks of things. Now that the ghouls have been let back on the platform advertisers have pulled out.
Some Twitter users have quit such as Sam Harris. This may not be a particularly big deal but it does seem that Harris and Musk were friendly and would see each other’s tweets.
Advertisers also complain that they can’t even get their usual representatives to work with them, probably because they have quit or been fired, and the interface for doing ads has become buggy.
Musk has just today also been tweeting about how some of the infrastructure went wrong causing Twitter to not work properly for a while.
Pretty sure that this is NOT 5D chess.
Can I ask those supporters of Musk, particularly right-wing ones, what your response would be if I told you there was this African-American guy who smokes dope with a string of baby mothers and ten kids spending all his time **** posting on Twitter all day, living off government hand-outs?
Ziggurat
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I don't have a twitter account. I don't regularly go on the site, but occasionally I follow a link or look up certain accounts to see what they're posting.
Twitter is now much, MUCH easier to use than a few months ago. They had instituted this thing relatively recently where if you weren't logged in to Twitter, you could only scroll down a few posts before they insisted you log in or create a Twitter account. Now that garbage feature is gone. I can now view twitter without being interrupted by a demand to log in.
Twitter is now much, MUCH easier to use than a few months ago. They had instituted this thing relatively recently where if you weren't logged in to Twitter, you could only scroll down a few posts before they insisted you log in or create a Twitter account. Now that garbage feature is gone. I can now view twitter without being interrupted by a demand to log in.
jeremyp
Philosopher
I can see a way out of it. Provided he cuts costs by $1 billion more than the reduction in advertising revenue, he could end up with a site that is self sustaining although it would probably be a shadow of its former self. He could then build that up again into something profitable. The critical thing for success is how much advertising revenue he is losing. Unfortunately, we don't know at this point in time.
Does he not realise that it is not a question of right and wrong? If the advertisers were wrong to leave it doesn't matter: they still left.
He has? I wonder why that was?
I think only Warp12 is close to a Musk supporter on this thread.
Ziggurat
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angrysoba's characterization of what Musk said is incorrect. Here's the relevant tweet:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1595196519598080000
Elon Musk said:
"this condition" being the content moderation council. So it was about advertising, but according to Musk it wasn't directed at advertisers directly, but activists, and he didn't claim that the advertisers were in the wrong, but that activists were.
Is Elon's account accurate? No idea. But I do know that what Elon said is substantially different than how angrysoba described it.
According to those in such a discussion that have made public their views he lied about what was said and what people agreed to.
ETA:
This was covered a while back in the thread - I'll repost the links I have to hand:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/22/elo...-blame-for-twitter-ad-woes-activists-say.html
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy...rm-twitter-moderation-panel-blames-activists/
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