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Trump's Tuesday announcement... what will it be?

What will Trump's big 'announcement' be on Tuesday?

  • He is officially running for president

    Votes: 19 34.5%
  • An unofficial "Thinking of running" but not officially running for president

    Votes: 9 16.4%
  • Legal action of some time (such as against criminal investigations into his activities)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Something business-related

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No announcement, just ranting

    Votes: 15 27.3%
  • Announcement gets cancelled

    Votes: 4 7.3%
  • Something else

    Votes: 3 5.5%
  • Trump is from planet X, and will now be returning home

    Votes: 5 9.1%

  • Total voters
    55
Trump caught pretty much everyone by surprise in 2016. But this isn’t 2016. We see him coming this time.

And as for the Rise of Stupid, yes, that’s definitely gotten worse. But here’s the thing: The Stupid didn’t put Trump into office in 2016. The swing voters who thought an outspoken outsider should be a given a chance did. And those same swing voters saw what Trump brought to the table and then rejected him three election cycles in a row. I’m not seeing how he wins them back.

Well, I hope you are right. Seeing that number "70" in front of the word "million" Trump votes in 2020 leaves me uneasy about how close things might be.

We see him coming this time, that's true. But a 70-77mil win margin (or whatever it was) in 2020 is way too close for my comfort.
 
Trump is about to get hit with lawsuits about his Fake Elector scheme, and Kemp, now that the election is over, will have to testify about his "find my some Votes" phone calls.

This announcement is very much intended as a political shield, even though it won't work as a judicial one.
 
And, full disclosure, I am pretty much the poster child for sneering at the "This will finally be the Trump Downfall Moment(R)!" because I've heard so many times.

As someone once put it "Stop telling me the noose is tightening. He's always that color."

I would argue that Trump's downfall isn't a moment, but a slow-motion, cascading series of events and that it has already begun. And it may not end with the spectacular Death-Star-explosion triumph that we all hope for, but rather the slow unraveling of a small, petty man as his entire world closes in on him and collapses.
 
I would argue that Trump's downfall isn't a moment, but a slow-motion, cascading series of events and that it has already begun. And it may not end with the spectacular Death-Star-explosion triumph that we all hope for, but rather the slow unraveling of a small, petty man as his entire world closes in on him and collapses.

Unless it involves him actually being punished I don't care how fast or slow (within reason) it takes.

Trump living out the rest of his life sad that he lost isn't what I'm talking about.
 
"That great gangster, Al Capone" -- using an analogy for Eric that the guy never got caught on all the other stuff, but on tax evasion.
 
Well, I hope you are right. Seeing that number "70" in front of the word "million" Trump votes in 2020 leaves me uneasy about how close things might be.

We see him coming this time, that's true. But a 70-77mil win margin (or whatever it was) in 2020 is way too close for my comfort.

That's why we keep our eyes on the ball and our foot on the gas pedal, if you'll pardon the mixed metaphor.
 
Unless it involves him actually being punished I don't care how fast or slow (within reason) it takes.

Trump living out the rest of his life sad that he lost isn't what I'm talking about.

Well, I think it would be more than that. But I take your point, and actually harbor the same hope. I'm just trying to temper my expectations.
 
Listen.

As best as I can put into words I'm scared that we're talking ourselves into accepting a "punishment" for Trump that is exactly functionally the same as "We just got tired of dealing with (or hell even thinking about him) so we let him just... go away."

If that's all that happens to Trump, the next Trump will have zero qualms about trying it again. And he could be very, very much worse.
 
Listen.

As best as I can put into words I'm scared that we're talking ourselves into accepting a "punishment" for Trump that is exactly functionally the same as "We just got tired of dealing with (or hell even thinking about him) so we let him just... go away."

If that's all that happens to Trump, the next Trump will have zero qualms about trying it again. And he could be very, very much worse.

I get what you're saying and I agree. I want to see him frog-marched to prison in shackles. I just try to balance that against my short-term mental wellbeing.

On a larger scale, I do believe that enough negative consequences are coming Trump's way to serve as cautionary tale for anyone who tries to emulate him. I guess time will tell.
 
IMO the grand announcement will be an incoherent stream of consciousness rant against foes real and imagined and political commentators will divine from it whatever message they choose.

Ding ding ding ding ding! We have a winner!!!
 
Yeah. This 'repudiation' of the GQP/Trumpisk was a squeaker. And the electorate has the kind of short memory that results in bafflingly pendular, whip-saw swings.
Only if you ignore he lost in 2020.
He lost by a lot (millions of votes) in the popular vote. But in a couple of battle-ground states, the margins were fairly slim. (Biden won Arizona, Wisconsin, and Georgia by less than 1%.)

A little more voter suppression in a few key states, a few more voters deciding to sit out the election for whatever reason, and you could be looking at another Trump victory.
 
Hope and optimism doesn't require letting your guard down.

And let's honest. All the traitors and coup... ers (whatever, you know what I mean) and election deniers failed, but they were never punished.

They have no reason not to try again.

And like all things even if they can't win, I'm tired of being expected to just passively watch them find out where the limits are.

For the highlighted I use putschists. Has a nice ring to it.
 
Apparently FOX news cut away from Trumps announcement after he said he was running and was getting boring.
Apparently CNN cut away too. And MSNBC didn't even bother showing the announcement live.

I think its a good thing. I believe one of the reasons why Trump had the success he did in 2016 is that news organizations were giving him far too much attention than he deserved. (I remember one news organization showed an empty stage for several minutes just waiting for Trump to show up before a speech.) They weren't necessarily doing that to support him (well except for Fox news), they just wanted the ratings.

Seeing Trump lose the publicity that he had from constant news coverage will hopefully limit the impact he can have.
 
Election deniers running for Secretary of State in key swing swing states all lost their elections. Every single one of them. They will have no more control over a federal election than they did in 2020.

Not to mention that this plan didn’t work out too well for them this year.

Keep in mind there are State legislatures who are trying to pass State Laws that to give themselves the right to overturn the results of elections.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...dent-state-legislature-election-power/670992/

Late last month, in one of its final acts of the term, the Supreme Court queued up another potentially precedent-wrecking decision for next year. The Court’s agreement to hear Moore v. Harper, a North Carolina redistricting case, isn’t just bad news for efforts to control gerrymandering. The Court’s right-wing supermajority is poised to let state lawmakers overturn voters’ choice in presidential elections.

Six swing states—Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, and North Carolina—are trending blue in presidential elections but ruled by gerrymandered Republican state legislatures.

Joe Biden won five of those six swing states in 2020. Donald Trump then tried and failed, lawlessly, to muscle the GOP state legislators into discarding Biden’s victory and appointing Trump electors instead.​

Moore v Harper is a very, very dangerous case. If the SCOTUS rules in favour of the NC State legislature, they will be able to simply overturn, without cause, any presidential election result in their state if they lose.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/moore-v-harper-explained

"The immediate issue in Moore [v Harper] is whether the state legislators’ extreme partisan gerrymander will stand in North Carolina. But adopting the independent state legislature theory would also mean that voters across the country have no judicial remedy — in state court or in federal court — to fight partisan gerrymandering. The potential consequences could stretch still further. The theory would throw elections into chaos, nullifying hundreds of election rules put in place through ballot initiatives, state constitutions, and administrative regulations — including foundational state policies like the processes for voter registration and mail voting and basic guarantees like the secret ballot. State lawmakers would be able to adopt vote suppression legislation without any checks or balances from state courts or even gubernatorial veto. In other words, the theory would upend key aspects of our elections."​

And if you don't think SCOTUS would allow this, think again. When they denied emergency relief to the NC gerrymanderers in March this year, Alito, Thomas and Gorsuch dissented as they did in 2020. Kavanaugh said he saw serious arguments on both sides but voted to leave the court-approved map in place for the 2022 elections.

That's three, possibly four votes for and three against (the liberal judges won't vote for it), so there is only Barrett and Roberts. It will only take one of them, and Kavanagh coming down on the conservative side, for the gerrymanders to win.

US democracy is hanging by a thread, and two SCOTUS judges are holding the scissors!

Hope and optimism doesn't require letting your guard down.

And let's honest. All the traitors and coup... ers (whatever, you know what I mean) and election deniers failed, but they were never punished.

They have no reason not to try again.

And like all things even if they can't win, I'm tired of being expected to just passively watch them find out where the limits are.

Terrorists is the word you were looking for.
 
Keep in mind there are State legislatures who are trying to pass State Laws that to give themselves the right to overturn the results of elections.

And the scary part is they don't have to go through that trouble.

They can already do that. The States can run their elections however they want and there is NOTHING in the Constitution that requires Electoral Voters to even care what the people think.

"We might need to just ignore the popular vote and vote for who we want because the unwashed peasant masses can't always be trusted" isn't like a subversion of the Electoral College or some technicality fluke of it, it's the literally letter and spirit of it. It's why it exists.

And that's ******* scary.
 
And the scary part is they don't have to go through that trouble.

They can already do that. The States can run their elections however they want and there is NOTHING in the Constitution that requires Electoral Voters to even care what the people think.

"We might need to just ignore the popular vote and vote for who we want because the unwashed peasant masses can't always be trusted" isn't like a subversion of the Electoral College or some technicality fluke of it, it's the literally letter and spirit of it. It's why it exists.

And that's ******* scary.

Well at the moment, they are still subject to judicial oversight (as happened in 2020 and this year) but if Moore v Harper goes the wrong way, they will be able to do whatever they like without any of the checks and balances available through Judicial oversight. In effect, those State's own Supreme Courts will not be able to over-rule their legislatures. The Judicial branch of those states will be legally shut out of the process.
 
Come on, man, we've been over this. I was working on a jobsite and getting poor coverage, and I underestimated the threat. When I got up to speed, I copped to being wrong and was quick to call it an insurrection and that he should be promtly arrested for inciting imminent lawless action.



I think that if you can still support Trump after his profoundly un-American behavior, that is waaaaaaaay worse than it was before. If they can accept J6 and Ratzenberger, they can accept swastikas. There's no more fig leaves. Its not a potential problem anymore. It passed critical mass.

Seconded. Every trump supporter is a literal violent enemy of the foundation of the United States.
Violence, while I don’t condone or encourage it, is absolutely morally and ethically warranted against elected republicans and their supporters.
 

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