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No, he isn't.

Yes, he is. As of today it is being widely reported that several accounts that were clearly marked as parodies - as in, instead of having a username of Elon Musk they would have a username like Elon Musk "parody" - have also been banned.
 
Essentially, the appeals to "impersonation" were largely disingenuous. The fact that Twitter is now banning accounts that are not only obvious parodies but even explicitly proclaim themselves to be so, has in fact brilliantly highlighted how not committed to free speech Elon Musk is when he is on the receiving end of speech he doesn't like.
 
Another account suspended for impersonation, not for mockery.

The rules are pretty clear, and I don't even think they're new. People getting themselves suspended this way aren't actually proving the point they think they're proving. Jaques may like to think it was personal because it flatters his ego to think that he matters enough for Musk to pay attention to him, but he isn't, and it wasn't.
Not even remotely true, as I'm sure you know.
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Yes, he is. As of today it is being widely reported that several accounts that were clearly marked as parodies - as in, instead of having a username of Elon Musk they would have a username like Elon Musk "parody" - have also been banned.

The accounts mentioned so far did not follow the policies I linked to. Show me one that did.
 
Just hop and twitter and you'll see plenty. I know @h3h3productions was one of them. There was another labeled Elon Musk (parody) @chipzel. Whether it's true or not, the accounts could have done something else, but it's really not hard to find examples.
 
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I suggest you read the comment threads on some of the Ars Technics stories. The readership there seems to have swung completely from the "Musk can do no wrong" camp to the "Musk is a con man" camp. That may be because the people in the latter camp have become emboldened by his recent obvious missteps and post comments more and the people in the former camp are posting less to avoid getting roasted, but you often get posts from people that begin "I used to love Elon Musk and everything he's doing but now..." These people may not have been True Musk Fanbois, of course.

Anyway, I think the anecdotal evidence from my internet surfing is that opinion about Musk is shifting and has been for a while.

For some reason this post made me think of a load of dude bros singing a slightly modified version of the Saw Doctors' I Useta Lover.
 
Just hop and twitter and you'll see plenty. I know @h3h3productions was one of them. There was another labeled Elon Musk (parody) @chipzel. Whether it's true or not, the accounts could have done something else, but it's really not hard to find examples.

I think they put "parody" in the bio and on the header pic, but not on the user name. Then they posted stuff about how they missed Jeffrey Epstein and got banned.

Pretty sure they knew they were going to get banned for it, and they have other accounts.
 
I think they put "parody" in the bio and on the header pic, but not on the user name. Then they posted stuff about how they missed Jeffrey Epstein and got banned.

Pretty sure they knew they were going to get banned for it, and they have other accounts.

I would say if it's in your bio and your header pic, you're pretty blatantly labeled a parody account. There's only 1 other spot you can have it listed and that's in the username, which the policy doesn't state as a requirement, but the second account I referred to did have it in the UN. If that's what he meant by clearly labeled then he had a ton of more character spots to say it lol.

Not much of a "free speech" guy if you can't talk about Epstein.

Mind you, I have no dog in this fight, but Musk is making claims he just obviously has no intent or desire to hold up. That's my only point.
 
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I think part of being a visionary is being willing to “swing for the fences”. Tesla had a heck of a time becoming profitable, and could easily have failed at several points along the way. 20 years invested in developing reusable boosters could have resulted in a disastrous boondoggle. Widespread internet by launching a gazillion satellites into LEO using those reusable boosters? How many would have seen that as remotely feasible?

But I’m repeating myself. An inherent risk in swinging for the fences is the risk of striking out, and the fear of such failure likely dissuades many from making revolutionary technology a reality. Right now, Musk’s involvement certainly looks like a fiasco. But it certainly is entertaining watching it play out, however it goes.

I agree broadly with this.

That said, being a visionary usually means having a clear vision that people can get behind.

Two examples:
Reusable rockets and interplanetary space missions - clear visions that I think all but the most insufferable misanthropists should get behind.

Commercially viable electric cars - a clear vision that I think all but the most insufferable misanthropists should get behind.

Now, Twitter...

The vision is... I suppose... a proiftable (?), bot-free, politically neutral social media entity that allows free speech that abides by the first amendment and, which also doesn't become a sewer.

Yeah, sounds good, but two of those aspects pretty much work against each other (free speech non-sewer)

Musk himself posted the current Twitter Safety rules. I don't know how much has changed (maybe nothing yet?) but under the rules pretty much everyone currently banned such as Trump, Milo, Gavin McInnes and Alex Jones would remain banned.

As much fun as the parody accounts mocking Musk are, I agree that under the rules they should be banned, and I also agree with the principle of banning people who impersonate others. Not sure if that is really against the first amendment, I doubt it though. I am pretty sure the rule about parody accounts has been there for a while as I know of people posting even the most obvious parodies being told to clearly state they are parodies or risk being banned.

But if he sticks with sensible moderation rules, and refuses to bring back people who violated them, then it does make me wonder what the point was in buying Twitter in the first place. It seemed to me that Musk somewhat bought into a culture war position that Twitter was somehow overly censorious of right-wingers, but that could be that right-wingers were more likely to be censored for overt racism (hate speech banned by Twitter), attempted meddling in elections (banned by Twitter), harassment (also banned), encouraging or glorifying violence (banned by Twitter), manipulated media (also banned). Some people have been saying that Musk has been finding out in real time what all the rules were there for in the first place, and ironically that is an example of the conservative idea of Chesterton's Fence. Instead of ripping out the fence because you see no reason for it being there, you should first find out why it was there in the first place. Musk is actually doing that right, from what I can see, by not making sweeping changes yet (apart from the Twitter Blue thing), but then, it suggests that Twitter may end up as having got things largely right in terms of moderation, and at the very least that simply a free-for-all that abides by the first amendment alone is surely not possible unless it becomes sewer-like.

I suppose the Twitter Blue thing could make people more accountable by having more of a stake in it. People would be less likely to act like ********* if they get banned and lose their accounts that they have paid for. Of course, some people will still act like ********* even with their names proudly displayed, but I wonder, then, if Trump, Milo, McInnes and Jones will just stay banned.

That said, the politically neutral thing seems to have fallen quickly by the wayside as he has now called on independent voters to vote Republican in a pinned tweet...
 
I think part of being a visionary is being willing to “swing for the fences”.

Tesla had a heck of a time becoming profitable, and could easily have failed at several points along the way. 20 years invested in developing reusable boosters could have resulted in a disastrous boondoggle. Widespread internet by launching a gazillion satellites into LEO using those reusable boosters? How many would have seen that as remotely feasible?

But I’m repeating myself. An inherent risk in swinging for the fences is the risk of striking out, and the fear of such failure likely dissuades many from making revolutionary technology a reality. Right now, Musk’s involvement certainly looks like a fiasco. But it certainly is entertaining watching it play out, however it goes.

But the thing is, Tesla is only profitable through massive government subsidies to build boondoggles like the Las Vegas loop. In the business the company is supposedly competing in, it's still a massive loss maker.

Take out the money shovelled at it for white elephants and tie ins with massively corrupt dictators, and Tesla doesn't have a workable economic model.
 
I would say if it's in your bio and your header pic, you're pretty blatantly labeled a parody account. There's only 1 other spot you can have it listed and that's in the username, which the policy doesn't state as a requirement, but the second account I referred to did have it in the UN. If that's what he meant by clearly labeled then he had a ton of more character spots to say it lol.

Not much of a "free speech" guy if you can't talk about Epstein.

Mind you, I have no dog in this fight, but Musk is making claims he just obviously has no intent or desire to hold up. That's my only point.

Yes, it is stated as a requirement.
 

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But the thing is, Tesla is only profitable through massive government subsidies to build boondoggles like the Las Vegas loop. In the business the company is supposedly competing in, it's still a massive loss maker.

Take out the money shovelled at it for white elephants and tie ins with massively corrupt dictators, and Tesla doesn't have a workable economic model.

I think the Las Vegas "hyperloop" which is all hype, was built by the "Boring Company". Yeah, a total joke by the looks of things, and was written off as unworkable long before it was created in its present form of a particularly crap tunnel.
 
A properly planned and executed "downsizing" would have tried to identify the key individuals/teams/skills and prioritised their retention (bearing in mind that the best people are very highly mobile and may simply leave if they perceive that the company isn't what it was). Twitter's "downsizing" has all the hallmarks of the kind where it's poorly planned and executed.

Only time will tell whether this, and all the other nonsense of the last couple of weeks, has caused long-term damage to the company and its reputation.

There's good accounts that twitter is trying to rehire a good chunk of the people Musk so unceremoniously fired. Looks like basing firing decisions solely on lines of code written can mean you lose your best staff.
 
Musk deleted a fact check that showed it was not 'leftist blackmail' that made advertisers leave. Guess those moderation and safety rules were changed, weren't they?

He also thinks he has 'tortious interference claim' against the 'Left activist groups'. Which, yes please, do that 'free speech' guy.
 
It's nice over at Mastodon, by the way. It seems to be the destination for most of the diaspora. @arthwollipot@aus.social if you're interested.
 
Just hop and twitter and you'll see plenty. I know @h3h3productions was one of them. There was another labeled Elon Musk (parody) @chipzel. Whether it's true or not, the accounts could have done something else, but it's really not hard to find examples.

I’m not interested in proving your claim for you.
 
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