Electric universe theories here.

[Ziggurat]

It will condense from a gas to a liquid

Depends on the details. Sometimes it will condense from a gas to a solid. The point is, the fact that a cold container wall can induce a phase change isn't relevant to the definition of a gas, and it isn't relevant to the definition of a plasma. And plasmas are still gasses despite any phase changes they may experience when in contact with a cold container wall.

...and won’t “fill” the container like a gas.

No ****, Sherlock Of course a liquid or a solid won't fill a container like a gas.
But a plasma will fill a container like a gas, because it's a gas.

How does the tommahawk keep the plasma a plasma and not a gas?

Did you mean tomahawk? Because that's got nothing to do with plasma. And a Tokamak (not a tomahawk) by itself doesn't keep a plasma a plasma. Just like a jar doesn't keep steam a gas.

Could you keep the gas container using a magnetic field?

Not relevant. What kind of container you use isn't part of the definition of a gas. As long as it fills the container, whatever that container is, it's a gas.

Plasma fills the container. It's a gas.

 

[Sol88]

What is doing what in a plasma and magnetic field?
That is all dependent on the plasma-β, the ratio of the plasma(gas) pressure:

The plasma let’s take ions

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the ions being guided by magnetic fields, forming a current. A magnetic field is also collimating this plasma flow, something about Biot-Savart law.

Where should I use gas pressure?

Would this allow me to determine the total plasma density and the magnetic field strength to try and get a handle on the the power(current) this “jet” has? What could power such a current? Gas/BH magnetic field somting or other?

We observe them.

In an astrophysical jet what is the main function of gas pressure?

Or is gas/plasma (space gas) a new state of matter?

 

[Sol88]

Depends on the details. Sometimes it will condense from a gas to a solid. The point is, the fact that a cold container wall can induce a phase change isn't relevant to the definition of a gas, and it isn't relevant to the definition of a plasma. And plasmas are still gasses despite any phase changes they may experience when in contact with a cold container wall.



No ****, Sherlock Of course a liquid or a solid won't fill a container like a gas.
But a plasma will fill a container like a gas, because it's a gas.



Did you mean tomahawk? Because that's got nothing to do with plasma. And a Tokamak (not a tomahawk) by itself doesn't keep a plasma a plasma. Just like a jar doesn't keep steam a gas.



Not relevant. What kind of container you use isn't part of the definition of a gas. As long as it fills the container, whatever that container is, it's a gas.

Plasma fills the container. It's a gas.

What? F you could put a plasma or for that matter, your “space gas” in a container, it would fill the container touch the sides and not be a gas anymore.

Simple question to you would, in relation to the tokomake, can you contain a gas with a magnetic field?

But a plasma will fill a container like a gas, because it's a gas.

A plasma is a gas, in space? Space gas?

 

[Sol88]

Reckon you’ve found the mysteries of space gas... it’s actually a plasma.

Not a gas. Use plasma maths to prove it...to yourselves.

Using, say MHD.

 

[Sol88]

Depends on the details. Sometimes it will condense from a gas to a solid. The point is, the fact that a cold container wall can induce a phase change isn't relevant to the definition of a gas, and it isn't relevant to the definition of a plasma. And plasmas are still gasses despite any phase changes they may experience when in contact with a cold container wall.



No ****, Sherlock Of course a liquid or a solid won't fill a container like a gas.
But a plasma will fill a container like a gas, because it's a gas.



Did you mean tomahawk? Because that's got nothing to do with plasma. And a Tokamak (not a tomahawk) by itself doesn't keep a plasma a plasma. Just like a jar doesn't keep steam a gas.



Not relevant. What kind of container you use isn't part of the definition of a gas. As long as it fills the container, whatever that container is, it's a gas.

Plasma fills the container. It's a gas.

Image of the inside of a magnetic confinement experiment during plasma discharge. In a tokamak, plasma particles are confined and shaped by magnetic field lines that combine to act like an invisible bottle. Pictured, the spherical tokamak MAST at the Culham Centre for Fusion Energy (UK), where over 30,000 man-made ”stars” have been created. Photo: CCFE

Gas or plasma?

Oh, I see magnetic fields are required to "contain" the plasma. Can a gas be contained in a magnetic bottle?

Gas looks easy to contain, plasma less so.

Magnetic confinement fusion

 

[Hellbound]

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 5

 

[Ziggurat]

What? F you could put a plasma or for that matter, your “space gas” in a container, it would fill the container touch the sides and not be a gas anymore.

If you put carbon dioxide in a container at 100 kelvin, the carbon dioxide will fill the container, touch the sides, and not be a gas anymore. That has **** all to do with the definition.

Simple question to you would, in relation to the tokomake, can you contain a gas with a magnetic field?

Depends on the gas. But this doesn’t matter. The definition makes no reference to the type of container.

Plasma is a kind of gas. Just like squares are a kind of rectangle. Are you really unfamiliar with the concept of subsets?

 

[Sol88]

"It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 5

Well, I guess that settles that argument.

Cheers McBeth!

 

[Sol88]

If you put carbon dioxide in a container at 100 kelvin, the carbon dioxide will fill the container, touch the sides, and not be a gas anymore. That has **** all to do with the definition.



Depends on the gas. But this doesn’t matter. The definition makes no reference to the type of container.

Plasma is a kind of gas. Just like squares are a kind of rectangle. Are you really unfamiliar with the concept of subsets?

Depends on the gas? Continue...which type of gas can be contained by magnetic fields?

 

[Ziggurat]

Depends on the gas? Continue...which type of gas can be contained by magnetic fields?

Plasmas. Duh.

 

[tusenfem]

Even plasmas do observe the laws of gravity (except in the EUniverse).

 

[Sol88]

Righto, space gas is Nowa plasma. Long way round, ey?

So, gas in space is a plasma. Got it.

 

[Sol88]

Even plasmas do observe the laws of gravity (except in the EUniverse).

Sure, do. Gravity’s a thang man.

But a charged particle in an electric field is not too concerned with gravity.

 

[Ziggurat]

So, gas in space is a plasma. Got it.

Do you? Because that means that plasma is still a gas, and you seemed to have a hard time accepting that idea, even though it's obvious and trivial.

 

[Ziggurat]

Sure, do. Gravity’s a thang man.

But a charged particle in an electric field is not too concerned with gravity.

That depends on the mass, charge, gravitational field strength, and electric field strength, none of which you have specified. But then, you've never been one for numbers.

 

[steenkh]

So, gas in space is a plasma. Got it.

Nope. As usual you don’t get it.

Not all gases are plasmas. Molecular clouds are for instance gases, but are not plasmas.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Nope. As usual you don’t get it.

He doesn't WANT to get it.

Hans

 

[jonesdave116]

Sure, do. Gravity’s a thang man.

But a charged particle in an electric field is not too concerned with gravity.

Lol. And why would an electric field arise? What about at the Sun, where the field arises to maintain quasi-neutrality in the solar wind, and at the Sun? Why did that arise? Because ions feel the Sun's gravity more than electrons. Otherwise the solar wind would be composed pretty much solely of electrons.
Without gravity, the electric field doesn't arise.

 

[catsmate]

Regarding the 'Open letter to cranks', Novella also wrote an interesting piece on the EU nonsense:
Electric Universe Is Crank Pseudoscience

 

[fertilizerspike]

Lol. And why would an electric field arise? What about at the Sun, where the field arises to maintain quasi-neutrality in the solar wind, and at the Sun? Why did that arise? Because ions feel the Sun's gravity more than electrons. Otherwise the solar wind would be composed pretty much solely of electrons.
Without gravity, the electric field doesn't arise.

You think "gravity" drives charge separation in space? What can i say but el-oh-el

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