Merged Russian (genocidal) internal propaganda and goals about Ukraine

[Childlike Empress]

Does Russia not have any propaganda messages tailored to skeptical audiences with access to western media?

No, she hasn't. Why?

 

[theprestige]

No, she hasn't. Why?

Because it seems like a basic principle of communication, when you have a hostile audience, to try to tailor your message to reach that audience. Propaganda by tankies, for tankies, is certainly a waste of time here. Why bother, if you have something better?

But you don't. Even in the propaganda war, the Russians have inadequate weapons, poorly maintained, and incompetently deployed.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Because it seems like a basic principle of communication, when you have a hostile audience, to try to tailor your message to reach that audience. Propaganda by tankies, for tankies, is certainly a waste of time here. Why bother, if you have something better?

But you don't. Even in the propaganda war, the Russians have inadequate weapons, poorly maintained, and incompetently deployed.

You don't understand the situation. Nobody in Russia still believes that propaganda victims in "the West" are reachable. The "Western" propaganda stunts by the usual suspects don't reach the Russian population. They know that the grass isn't greener on the other side.

 

[Steve]

No, she hasn't. Why?

Because it seems like a basic principle of communication, when you have a hostile audience, to try to tailor your message to reach that audience. Propaganda by tankies, for tankies, is certainly a waste of time here. Why bother, if you have something better?

But you don't. Even in the propaganda war, the Russians have inadequate weapons, poorly maintained, and incompetently deployed.

Russia seems spectacularly unprepared for this whole war business. Superpower? Hah! Third world terrorists using outdated weapons and tactics supported by lousy propaganda. And they do not even outwardly seem to be aware enough of their limitations to be ashamed. Demonstrating these limitations to NATO is the worst mistake they could possibly have made.

 

[theprestige]

You don't understand the situation. Nobody in Russia still believes that propaganda victims in "the West" are reachable. The "Western" propaganda stunts by the usual suspects don't reach the Russian population. They know that the grass isn't greener on the other side.

Why not? They reached you, didn't they?

 

[acbytesla]

You don't understand the situation. Nobody in Russia still believes that propaganda victims in "the West" are reachable. The "Western" propaganda stunts by the usual suspects don't reach the Russian population. They know that the grass isn't greener on the other side.

Propaganda victims? ROFLMAO!! Never mind that Russia has made it illegal to criticize Putin and the war. There very well may be some dishonest reporting from the West. Still, it is miniscule compared to what was SOP in the Soviet Union and now Russia.

My question to you is do you really believe that Putin has the best interests of Russia's citizens or humanity with this war? Do you think this will benefit the average Ivan out there? Will the children of Russia be better off going to War with the West?

Seriously, I have no enmity toward the people of Russia. I want the best for its people. But not at the expense of its neighbors. Wasn't Georgia, Chechnya and Crimea and the Donbatz enough? What's next after this war? Latvia, Estonia or maybe Lithuania?

Do you really think this is bringing glory to Russia?

 

[Steve]

You don't understand the situation. Nobody in Russia still believes that propaganda victims in "the West" are reachable. The "Western" propaganda stunts by the usual suspects don't reach the Russian population. They know that the grass isn't greener on the other side.

Nobody in Russia, outside of senior government and their propaganda teams, has any idea at all what "the west" thinks or believes. Putin's government lackeys simply deny them that information and feed them lies. It is true that any information provided by western democracies does not reach the Russian population. Again Putin's government lackeys simply deny them that information. It must be a terrible fear to know that the only way you can control the people you claim to govern is by lying to them. Putin must be one of the most insecure people alive in the world today.

 

[Craig4]

You don't understand the situation. Nobody in Russia still believes that propaganda victims in "the West" are reachable. The "Western" propaganda stunts by the usual suspects don't reach the Russian population. They know that the grass isn't greener on the other side.

Yeah, that totally explains all the people running for the exits in Russia. You all have lost more people leaving the country than your "army" has sent to Ukraine.

 

[arthwollipot]

Let's not go about misrepresenting anything. Despite appearances, Childlike Empress is German, not Russian.

 

[The Don]

You don't understand the situation. Nobody in Russia still believes that propaganda victims in "the West" are reachable. The "Western" propaganda stunts by the usual suspects don't reach the Russian population. They know that the grass isn't greener on the other side.

Says the person not living in Russia.

I suppose the long lines to leave Russia and the spike in airline ticket prices was either just an invention of the Western propaganda machine ( in which case great job on putting together so much internally consistent material as opposed to simply chucking out easily debunked lies like the Russians do) or there were some great deals at IKEA in Tbilisi.

 

[Susheel]

But you wrote recently something like:
"Did you see the United Nations General Assembly?
Indian Prime Minister Modi proposed Michael H's peace plan."
and then erased your post. What made you change your mind?

For one...I don't think the Indian Prime Minister is even aware of who you are. Secondly, the Indian Prime Minister is himself a wannabe fascist who is hell-bent on creating a nation built on the lines of the Nazi ideal, which would probably make you an admirer. The ideological forebear of the ruling BJP were great proponents of the Nazi final solution and dreamt of implementing it in India with the Brahminic upper castes in positions of power.
Modi's own sense of importance is basically a construct by a paid media that functions as his propaganda machinery.

 

[IsThisTheLife]

Is there any limit to the malleability of "public opinion"?

 

[catsmate]

Is there any limit to the malleability of "public opinion"?

[qimg]https://i.postimg.cc/RCGyBL3h/Before-and-after-Ukraine.jpg[/qimg]

Oh look, you're lying again. How surprising.

As an example, the Guardian quote is from seven years ago, immediately after the ousting of the pro-Russian Yanukovych regime.

 

[David RP]

Is there any limit to the malleability of "public opinion"?

[qimg]https://i.postimg.cc/RCGyBL3h/Before-and-after-Ukraine.jpg[/qimg]

Well how gullible are you? I see this graphic paste up is from the Global Times

 

[The Don]

Is there any limit to the malleability of "public opinion"?

[qimg]https://i.postimg.cc/RCGyBL3h/Before-and-after-Ukraine.jpg[/qimg]

Well let's take each of those in turn....

The "Welcome to Ukraine.." headline is from 2015 just after the Ukrainians got rid of a corrupt kleptocrat. Ukraine has made tackling corruption a major aim and as reportedly has made progress, but there's still a long way to go. They're still reportedly the second most corrupt country in Europe, Russia is the most corrupt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Ukraine

The Reuters "Ukraine's Neo-Nazi problem" comes from a 2018 opinion piece which talks about the Azov battalions and their tendency towards vigilantism. a quote from the article:

There’s no easy way to eradicate the virulent far-right extremism that has been poisoning Ukrainian politics and public life, but without vigorous and immediate efforts to counteract it, it may soon endanger the state itself.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cohen-ukraine-commentary-idUSKBN1GV2TY

Ukraine did take steps but it never eradicated the problem. Of course now they are fighting many more neo-Nazis courtesy of the Russian invaders.

The Vox article refers to that "perfect telephone call" but ascribes no blame whatsoever to Zelensky or Ukraine. It's the equivalent of saying "The Don is embroiled in IsThisTheLife's drunk driving mess" if you crash your car into mine while driving drunk.

The final story from neweurope.eu is behind a paywall so unfortunately I cannot properly asses it. It starts with...

It has recently become clear that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky loves kleptocracy as much as his predecessor Petro Poroshenko.

Zelensky has consistently protected corrupt officials from prosecution and killed anti-corruption reforms. Now he and his inner circle have destroyed two of Ukraine’s most high-profile graft cases - against Zelensky’s deputy chief of staff Oleg Tatarov and Ukraine’s most corrupt judge Pavlo Vovk.

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/uk...e-becomes-increasingly-corrupt-authoritarian/

That seems to run counter to the general narrative but that's not to say it's wrong. I don't know about neweurope.eu as a source but mediabias do consider it to be highly factually accurate.

 

[Arcade22]

Is there any limit to the malleability of "public opinion"?

[qimg]https://i.postimg.cc/RCGyBL3h/Before-and-after-Ukraine.jpg[/qimg]

Yes there is, hence why only cringeworthy individuals buy ******** like this.

 

[IsThisTheLife]

Oh look, you're lying again. How surprising.

As an example, the Guardian quote is from seven years ago, immediately after the ousting of the pro-Russian Yanukovych regime.

Of course. There has never been any inconsistency in the reporting of events in Ukraine. You can always depend on the corporate media to form your opinions for you.

 

[Susheel]

Of course. There has never been any inconsistency in the reporting of events in Ukraine. You can always depend on the corporate media to form your opinions for you.

Diversion much?
Anyhow...we can always depend on your consistency in posting random stuff and claiming it validates your point, when the reality is the exact opposite.

 

[IsThisTheLife]

Diversion much?
Anyhow...we can always depend on your consistency in posting random stuff and claiming it validates your point, when the reality is the exact opposite.

What is my point, would you say?

 

[Susheel]

Your point...to try and show how the "real meanies" in this case are the Ukranians. Only, your problem is that you used de-contextualised headlines from the time Ukraine was governed by a pro-Russian corrupt administration and tried to pass it off as referring to the Zelensky administration.