Cont: Brexit: Now What? Turning it up to 11

[Norman Alexander]

UN.

Utter Nonsense?

 

[catsmate]

Utter Nonsense?

United Nations, have a look at current events.

 

[a_unique_person]

You claimed that "other countries are muttering about leaving [the EU]" . Will you be supporting this assertion? Preferably with reliable polling data that shows an increase in support for leaving the EU, rather than the almost universal decrease in such sentiments.

Italy could be next

 

[Filippo Lippi]

Just got back from Tuscany and there were "reform the eu" gazebos in several town squares

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Italy could be next

Yeah, because Italy's economy is SO robust it can afford to do a Brexit.

Just like Hungary I expect a lot of hot air for the local press, but not the insanity to actually go trough with such an action.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Yeah, because Italy's economy is SO robust it can afford to do a Brexit.

Just like Hungary I expect a lot of hot air for the local press, but not the insanity to actually go trough with such an action.

If I lived in either of those countries (or any EU country), I would wait to see the success of Brexit first.

Anyone aggressively shorting the pound?

 

[The Don]

If I lived in either of those countries (or any EU country), I would wait to see the success of Brexit first.

Anyone aggressively shorting the pound?

Brexit has been a tremendous success - for the architects of Brexit that is, they're tens or hundreds of millions of pounds ahead on the deal.

For the other 99.999% of us, it's been an unmitigated ****-storm

The problem is that Italy, or Hungary, or wherever will have their own architects of xxxxit who want out of the EU and they'll stir up whatever kind of populist nonsense to encourage the underinformed to vote against their own self interest.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Brexit has been a tremendous success - for the architects of Brexit that is, they're tens or hundreds of millions of pounds ahead on the deal.

For the other 99.999% of us, it's been an unmitigated ****-storm

The problem is that Italy, or Hungary, or wherever will have their own architects of xxxxit who want out of the EU and they'll stir up whatever kind of populist nonsense to encourage the underinformed to vote against their own self interest.

Yup. The old "Make Our Country Great Again". Visions of the Nuremberg Rallies flash through my head.

 

[a_unique_person]

Yeah, because Italy's economy is SO robust it can afford to do a Brexit.



Just like Hungary I expect a lot of hot air for the local press, but not the insanity to actually go trough with such an action.

You assume logic when it is all about emotion. Italy may not leave but it will destabilise.

 

[catsmate]

Italy could be next

Will you be supporting this claim?

 

[catsmate]

If I lived in either of those countries (or any EU country), I would wait to see the success of Brexit first.

Anyone aggressively shorting the pound?

Lots of people. Some close to the UKCon party.

 

[a_unique_person]

Will you be supporting this claim?

They extreme right had won and they are anti EU. Hungary ditto. France is getting closer to voting in extreme right. They aren't going to destroy the EU but every move like this weakens it.

 

[Wudang]

Funny yesterday I was listening to an Italian documentary maker talking about how the Italian right have moved to be more positive on the EU and internationalism. Presumably yet another effect of the horror show destroying the UK.

 

[KDLarsen]

That, and a heavy reliance on EU funds. At some point Italy will have dip deep into those funds to pay off their Covid bill, so even the hard right know they can't go all gung ho, lest the funds are shut off.

See for instance Poland recently, where the government had to bring out the old "Germany owes war reparations"-card, since they had budgetted for EU post-Covid recovery funds, which was subsequently denied them.

 

[catsmate]

They extreme right had won and they are anti EU. Hungary ditto. France is getting closer to voting in extreme right. They aren't going to destroy the EU but every move like this weakens it.

Has there been any actual proposal for Italy to leave the EU.

 

[Darat]

Has there been any actual proposal for Italy to leave the EU.

I got interested in the Italian election a couple of months ago, just one of those curiosity things and I’ve noticed as she was getting more and more likely to be able to form a government her rhetoric against the EU started to change. It is now about working to make it better, get rid of corruption, to ensure Italy is getting its due attention and so on, not to leave the EU.

 

[gypsyjackson]

I got interested in the Italian election a couple of months ago, just one of those curiosity things and I’ve noticed as she was getting more and more likely to be able to form a government her rhetoric against the EU started to change. It is now about working to make it better, get rid of corruption, to ensure Italy is getting its due attention and so on, not to leave the EU.

Though I suppose that’s quite similar to David Cameron’s lines in 2013 when he began his ill-fated ‘renegotiation’ with the EU.

 

[Klimax]

They extreme right had won and they are anti EU. Hungary ditto. France is getting closer to voting in extreme right. They aren't going to destroy the EU but every move like this weakens it.

Italian PM wants to emulate Czech gov. That's not even within same universe as Hungary or any other far right morons. WTF you are talking about France?

 

[Wildy]

Italian PM wants to emulate Czech gov. That's not even within same universe as Hungary or any other far right morons. WTF you are talking about France?

I think the comments about France are that Le Pen has been a second round candidate for the last two presidential elections.

 

[a_unique_person]

Italian PM wants to emulate Czech gov. That's not even within same universe as Hungary or any other far right morons. WTF you are talking about France?

She keeps changing her tune.