The Trials of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: Part 31

Status
Not open for further replies.
TomG said:
Covered up for Guede by describing him reasonably accurately to Ficarra? Covered up for him by not flushing his crap in the toilet, but pointing it out to the cops? Covered up for him by allegedly cleaning up her own bloody footprints in the hallway while leaving a whole sequence of Rudy's footprints untouched that were only inches away that she would have at least suspected were his? She didn't name him since she may not known or have remembered his name. Yep, that's what friends are for.

Hoots
Click to expand...

Read the final motivations report. Marasca-Bruno claim Knox named Lumumba to cover up for Guede.
 
TomG said:
Ha ha! The point is that I know a work of fiction when I see it. You created fictional theory of the crime above, I did the same to show how easy it is. Your theory was fantasy, so was mine. You make the same mistake with my theory as you do with your own. i.e. taking it seriously. In fact your post above to Bill has more "big holes" in it than a Swiss cheese, as has been pointed out.

Hoots
Click to expand...

Mine are based on court records, police statements and transcriptions of the case. IOW evidence, which is the best we are likely to have given the ex-defendants are never going to admit guilt. Now that DNA analysis is ever more advanced, who knows what breakthroughs will happen.
 
AnimalFriendly said:


Because? Why didn't he testify during the Hellmann appeal directly about the events of the murder? When his own sentence had been finalized? Why would he not want the other 2 to also be held responsible & their sentences upheld? Just give us your opinion....we'll wait.



Nope. She wasn't "on her way" anywhere. She was at Sollecito's place.


"Probably Sollecito came by too"? Hard to believe anyone could put forth something this nonsensical.



Precisely what drugs would that be? I don't recall evidence of this kind being admitted during any of AK/RS trials.



None of this prattle, even if true, remotely proves Knox/Guede "knew" each other except in passing. Meeting someone once or twice, saying hello, having a conversation...none of that suggests 2 people know each other in any meaningful way, other than again, in passing.

What is a much more relevant fact is that there is no evidence whatsoever that Guede & Sollecito, to this day, have ever known, or met, each other. In passing, or otherwise. Nobody claims they knew each other. Not Sollectito. Not Guede. Not either's friends, relatives, neighbors, coworkers. No one. Which makes their participation together in a murder of a young woman neither even knew particularly well a ridiculous proposition. Especially since there was no common - and fluent - language between Knox and Sollecito and Guede.
Click to expand...

She replied to Patrik and the tirangulation of masts confirms she was in or near Grimana Plaza as of the time.
 
bagels said:
How lucky is Knox you guys.

She has Rudy, who she refers to as "the short south african boy" who "raped and killed Meredith" to fall on his sword and die for her.

She has the Secretary of State and President of the United States and US Senator from Washington to bully an entire nation for her.

Her boyfriend she randomly met for 5 minutes at a concert happened to have mafioso lawyer ties to rig the judges.

This is Knox as viewed by Vixen.

Vixen's posts should really be about how Knox is the luckiest, craftiest, most inexplicable and exceptionally fortunate killer of all time, but for her it's....Saturday. One of the judges Hillary Clinton threatened to have whacked said Knox covered for Guede. Let's discuss that. No not the Hillary Clinton part, that's so boring, I meant the pedestrian evidence in a typical murder case. That.
Click to expand...

It shows you the power of PR. Now you know why Knox' parents spent huge sums of money on a PR agent.
 
whoanellie said:
Ultimately, the Italian court system came to a different conclusion, didn't they?
Click to expand...

Read the Marasca-Bruno motivations report. Nowhere do the words innocent or exonerated appear. They annulled the sentences using the little used opt-out clause 'insufficient evidence'. Why is it little used? Because the concept of 'insufficient evidence' is one for the preliminary hearings (probable cause, or in the UK, 'RPS' reasonable prospect of success').
 
bagels said:
Off topic but I assume being locked up in a foreign prison is the ultimate language immersion program. Next time I'm in France I need to start doing cartwheels and hope for the best.
Click to expand...

You are better off in Europe than in the USA. Life is only about 12 years and you can apply for parole after about seven or eight years.
 
Numbers said:
Vixen, please explain your statement. What evidence supports your statement "What Americans find impossible to believe is that Knox would be friends with an African."?
Click to expand...

The number one edict of the Friends of Amanda Knox is that there is no way she would have committed a crime with Guede. This completely ignores the fact she only knew Sollecito for one week!
 
Last edited:
Bill Williams said:
What marks those words as racist, is that perhaps fully 10% of Americans ARE of African descent. Guilters have been the ones who try to play the racist-card, this is them playing if from the bottom of the deck.
Click to expand...

I meant the US posters on this list, whose main point seems to be that there is no way Knox would associate with Guede, when in fact, he was far nearer her age than Sollecito was.

Unlike Knox and Sollecito, he had no police record and no police cautions.

The FOAK-ers have invented a story that Guede was an itinerant drifter with a record for burglary as long as your arm, which IMV is based on trying to construct a racist stereoptype based on his skin colour.
 
bagels said:
IIRC Vixen considers Popovic a bent/false witness paid off by the Raff clan or something.

It's hard to make a working timeline and coherent guilter narrative. Really hard.

Rudy broke in a little before Meredith got home then stabbed and sexually assaulted her after a confrontation before fleeing alone into the night is pretty easy, and fits all the evidence, and Rudy's own statements, but like, you know, probably it was a trio of people that just met and could barely speak a mutual language with each other committing a group murder for inexplicable reasons on 20 minutes notice.
Click to expand...

Popovic, like Sollecito's father, gave Sollecito an alibi and I believe she was - misconceived - trying to help him out as a friend of hers. It backfired on Sollecito when he tried to claim compensation. She claimed she went to ask him to give her a lift to pick up a case sent by her aunt. It turned out her aunt's case wasn't on the bus after all. So a typical example of a story which was supposed to have happened but then conveniently didn't actually happen!
 
TomG said:
Did they?? Yaaaaawn! source please.

Hoots
Click to expand...

From Sollecito's Prison Diary:

Extracts from Raffaele Sollecito's letter to his father

Dear father. What can I say about Amanda? During that time we were together she was elusive, I thought she was out of this world. She lived her life like a dream, she was detached from reality ... Her life seemed to be pure pleasure.

I don't know if it's fair that I have to pay such a high price for not paying more attention to the seconds and minutes of 1 November. But after this experience, believe me Dad, I will never smoke another joint in my life.
Click to expand...
GUARDIAN

Knox, IIRC it was in her prison diary.
 
Vixen said:
Read the final motivations report. Marasca-Bruno claim Knox named Lumumba to cover up for Guede.
Click to expand...

You don't cite anything. If they did (which I doubt) they obviously don't make any sense.

Hoots
 
Vixen said:
From Sollecito's Prison Diary:

GUARDIAN

Knox, IIRC it was in her prison diary.
Click to expand...

In your original post you used the word "drugs" which was a deliberate inaccuracy as your eventual citation indicates. So what? He clearly gives his reasons as his inability to remember the important details of events. All the girls at VDP smoked marijuana including Meredith. What's the issue?
 
Vixen said:
Mine are based on court records, police statements and transcriptions of the case. IOW evidence, which is the best we are likely to have given the ex-defendants are never going to admit guilt. Now that DNA analysis is ever more advanced, who knows what breakthroughs will happen.
Click to expand...

Court records, police statements and transcriptions are the product of fallible human beings. Mine is based on the fact that in the final analysis, there is no sustainable evidence to implicate K&S in the murder, run through a common-sense filter. That's got me through so far.

Hoots
 
Vixen said:
The number one edict of the Friends of Amanda Knox is that there is no way she would have committed a crime with Guede. This completely ignores the fact she only knew Sollecito for one week!
Click to expand...
She didn't commit a crime with Sollecito either
 
Vixen said:
There is hard objective scientific evidence.
Click to expand...

I have a running list of some of your great takes on 'science' in this thread. I won't dig it up now, it would just be piling on, but it's been clear for a long time that you are not in a position to judge the 'scientific evidence' in this case.
 
Last edited:
Vixen said:
Read the Marasca-Bruno motivations report. Nowhere do the words innocent or exonerated appear. They annulled the sentences using the little used opt-out clause 'insufficient evidence'. Why is it little used? Because the concept of 'insufficient evidence' is one for the preliminary hearings (probable cause, or in the UK, 'RPS' reasonable prospect of success').
Click to expand...

If only the Italian courts had realized there was 'insufficient evidence' at the preliminary hearing.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom