Warp, let me point out once again that your callous abuse of those less fortunate than yourself (the so called "illegals" in particular) hardly qualifies you as superior.
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Warp, let me point out once again that your callous abuse of those less fortunate than yourself (the so called "illegals" in particular) hardly qualifies you as superior.
They SHOULD be ill eagles? Hey, Warp12, you're flubbing Nihilism 101. Nothing should or ought to be! Action is the only reality! Ay ya, ay ya, ay ya, alala!
Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law! Jeeze, next you'll be turning in your brown shirt and billy club.
Hang onto your big jug of castor oil, though. Stuff's good fer wot ails ya.
Do what thou wilt is the whole of the law! Jeeze, next you'll be turning in your brown shirt and billy club.
Hang onto your big jug of castor oil, though. Stuff's good fer wot ails ya.
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Well now!
How very enlightening.
In any event, I do hope that if, and when, your personal morality does actually become superior to the personal morality that is held by most people, then you will let the Forum know when this most remarkable moment in history does occur.
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it's not.
xjx388
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Whatever happened to the notion that immigrants, illegal or not, are fellow human beings? They are here now, so our duty as a nation is to ensure that they are treated with dignity and respect, period.
How can any citizen of a country that calls itself the greatest nation in the world be OK with the stunts pulled by DeSantis and Abbot? With their callous use and abuse of these people? We should be standing up and demanding their political heads for this! They have no business representing our states and our country.
It really sickens me to see so clearly how many people in this country cheer on this kind of utter depravity.
How can any citizen of a country that calls itself the greatest nation in the world be OK with the stunts pulled by DeSantis and Abbot? With their callous use and abuse of these people? We should be standing up and demanding their political heads for this! They have no business representing our states and our country.
It really sickens me to see so clearly how many people in this country cheer on this kind of utter depravity.
Murderers and thieves are fellow human beings, too. How about that notion?
In short, those who cross illegally are no different than the above. Criminals who should be treated as such. Either embrace lawless behavior, or don't. Don't sit on a liberal fencepost; we all know where that post is stuck.
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Warp, your post is one of the most insane perversions of reality I have seen in a long time. If this is really the way your head is working, I feel sorry for you.
On one hand you give lip service to the notion of liberty and freedom by admitting the everyone has God Given rights. Then you tell us that somebody seeking asylum or trying to sneak into the U.S. to get work has no right to be treated any better that a murderer.
Your argument is a sham!
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Wait, you think DeSantis should be treated like a criminal now? Because previously you were embracing his lawless behavior. Is this a sign that your morality is improving?
Nah, who am I kidding. You still want to embrace lawless behavior committed by rich white guys while condemning far less serious misdemeanor offences that may have been committed by the brown people.
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We should treat all criminals humanely. That’s a basic human right enshrined in our laws. But that’s a subject for another thread.
Because the people in question in this thread? They are not here illegally; they’ve committed no crime. There’s no two ways about it - no “should be.” The law is clear that they are legally allowed to be here. As such, “the way we treat criminals” is moot.
These people (all people) deserve dignity and respect. Anyone who can’t see that has no claim to moral superiority.
Untrue; they crossed the border illegally. As has been pointed out for pages, recently. Imo, they should have been deported like say, a Mexican who committed the same crime.
You also say they should be sent back to their home countries with any regard for due process or their safety and well being.
When we get down to it your argument isn't really about the law. It's about your desire to treat others as inhumanly as you see fit.
wareyin
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No, the recent kerfluffle about whether or not crossing the border was illegal before applying for asylum made the misdemeanor moot in no way established that the people DeSantis used for his stunt had ever illegally crossed the border. Unless you have some more information, we don't know if they crossed at a checkpoint and applied for asylum there or not.
Yes, that is how I think those who cross illegally should be treated. Across the board. No special exceptions, as these migrants have enjoyed.
smartcooky
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Warp12 has, without any foundation or evidence, claimed these asylum-seekers to be disease-ridden, infected and criminals. Why would you expect anything else?
That sort of treatment of accused people is not lawful in the U.S.
You are exactly why this country has courts of law. You are the reason we so closely guard the individual's right to due process. You are the reason we embrace justice, not tyranny.
You are not law and order. You are the mob!
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And you are not authorized to grade papers, Professor!
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But the law carved out exceptions for people from certain countries and gives them the legal right to be here while that process is ongoing. Therefore, they are not here illegally.
As for the border crossing itself, the NYT reports that these people turned themselves in to immigration officials with the intent to seek asylum. It’s not clear exactly how they entered the country, but if they did it at an established land crossing, it wouldn’t be an illegal entry. That’s what most asylum seekers do. Even if they crossed “illegally,” the fact that they turned themselves in and asked for asylum is mitigating.
People from Mexico are allowed to seek asylum, they just currently have to do it from Mexico because they will be sent back -that doesn’t make their attempted crossing illegal. It didn’t used to be like that -they would not be turned back or prosecuted for improper entry if they were seeking asylum. It is not a crime to enter the country to seek asylum.
Bottom line, like it or not, they have a legal right to be here and plead their case. While they are here, it is our duty (morally and legally) to treat them with dignity and respect.
Well said!
smartcooky
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They are legally in the country because they are recognized by the US government, as asylum-seekers. That is a fact of law - US immigration law actually uses the term "improper entry", and yes, while they may have entered improperly, that fact is moot because the moment they applied for asylum, they are deemed by that very same US goverment to no longer be in the country illegally, therefore they are not illegal immigrants.
I know that you object to these facts and laws because it does not comport with your morally depraved "screw all the brown people from ****-hole countries" narrative, but they nonetheless remain facts and laws even if you don't like them.