Electric universe theories here.

[Myriad]

Their estimate is about 77 Coulombs, which is quite small on the scale of the sun. You can't power the sun on 77 Coulombs.

It's quite small on the scale of a AAA battery! Are you sure there's not supposed to be some big metric prefix or scientific-notation-style power of ten attached to that number?

 

[tusenfem]

The sun is most definitely not a pith ball, that's your delusion, not mine. And I'm far from an expert on solar winds or the corona, though I don't need to be in order to debunk your nonsense.

As for how charged the sun is, I don't have a good calculation of my own. I can, however, provide you with a peer reviewed journal article with an estimate from someone who likely knows much more than I do (and much more than you or Scott or any of the other EU followers).

https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/pdf/2001/24/aah2649.pdf

Their estimate is about 77 Coulombs, which is quite small on the scale of the sun. You can't power the sun on 77 Coulombs.

Ah, Neslusan, that paper has appeared in this thread at least 4 times, not that it helps. Sol will ask the same question again and again an again and .....

 

[Sol88]

^^

Seems complicated maths as struck again...

Well, try your simple maths and explain this...

Two Remarkably Luminous Galaxy Candidates at z ≈ 11 − 13 Revealed by JWST

These two objects already place novel constraints
on galaxy evolution in the cosmic dawn epoch.

 

[tusenfem]

Did all-y'all see them big thundabolts commin from da Dimorphos?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[jonesdave116]

^^

Seems complicated maths as struck again...

Well, try your simple maths and explain this...

Two Remarkably Luminous Galaxy Candidates at z ≈ 11 − 13 Revealed by JWST

And? It means we need to look at our current models of galaxy formation. The previous ones were based on what we could (and couldn't) see from Hubble. Now we can see better than we could with Hubble, so it is only natural that the models will change based on new observations.
It says precisely nothing about Big Bang theory.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Did all-y'all see them big thundabolts commin from da Dimorphos?!?!?!?!?!?!

Ya beat me to it! That huge lightning bolt knocked out the camera . . . obviously.

 

[Ziggurat]

^^

Seems complicated maths as struck again...

Well, try your simple maths and explain this...

You fundamentally misunderstand basically everything that we're discussing, at every level.

First off, I'm not using simple math to explain complex physical phenomena. I'm using simple math to put basic constraints on what is and isn't possible. Simple math precludes your electric sun, for example. Simple math demonstrates that there's enough energy available from fusion to power the sun at its observed power output for billions of years. But simple math doesn't suffice to predict a priori what that power output should be. You need more complex math for that, which is beyond the scope of my abilities and this thread.

So how does this relate to early galaxy formation? Well, simple math isn't going to suffice to predict how fast galaxies form. That's far too complex a process. It could put some basic constraints on that formation. For example, there's an upper limit just due to how much mass is available. But these won't be very useful limits since the actual numbers are going to be well below these upper limits, which means that unless galaxy formation models are as ridiculously wrong as electric universe theories are, they won't exceed these upper limits even if they're wrong. I'm not going to bother trying to make such constraints because actual practicing physicists aren't complete idiots like the Thunderbolts folks, but if you suspect otherwise, go ahead and do some simple calculations yourself.

Oh, but you're never going to do that, because you can't. You aren't capable of doing calculations. You never have, and you never will.

Two Remarkably Luminous Galaxy Candidates at z ≈ 11 − 13 Revealed by JWST

I don't think this means what you think this means.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

And?

That was my first thought too. Is there any coherent connection to electric universe theory or is this "I don't understand this, it must mean I'm right" happening here?

 

[Sol88]

That was my first thought too. Is there any coherent connection to electric universe theory or is this "I don't understand this, it must mean I'm right" happening here?

Means mainstream model needs another "tweak".

Meantime in your world...Hubble detects protective shield defending a pair of dwarf galaxies

a team of astronomers led by Krishnarao has finally found the answer Whooo Hooo!!!


I'm ALL ears, what could it be?

the Magellanic system is surrounded by a corona, a protective shield of hot supercharged gas. This cocoons the two galaxies, preventing their gas supplies from being siphoned off by the Milky Way, and therefore allowing them to continue forming new stars.

Hot supercharged gas? RecoveringYuppy, what is a hot super charged gas??

Confused.

This is the game mainstream play.

Because ummmmm.....you know PLASMA!

Here we show evidence for this Magellanic Corona with a potential direct detection in highly ionized oxygen (O+5) and indirectly by means of triply ionized carbon and silicon, seen in ultraviolet (UV) absorption towards background quasars.

Ohhh, hot supercharged gas!

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

No coherent connection then.

 

[Sol88]

PLASMA the fundamental state of matter in a paper on PLASMA = 2 matches. GAS=71

Are you describing and talking about a PLASMA or a GAS?

in case you need a hand to understand the different states of matter...here is a picture

 

[jonesdave116]

Means mainstream model needs another "tweak".

Meantime in your world...Hubble detects protective shield defending a pair of dwarf galaxies

a team of astronomers led by Krishnarao has finally found the answer Whooo Hooo!!!


I'm ALL ears, what could it be?




Hot supercharged gas? RecoveringYuppy, what is a hot super charged gas??

Confused.

This is the game mainstream play.

Because ummmmm.....you know PLASMA!

And what has this got to do with EU woo? As the NASA article says;

Astronomers predicted the corona’s existence several years ago. “We discovered that if we included a corona in the simulations of the Magellanic Clouds falling onto the Milky Way, we could explain the mass of extracted gas for the first time," explained Elena D'Onghia, a co-investigator at the University of Wisconsin–Madison. “We knew that the Large Magellanic Cloud should be massive enough to have a corona.”

&

Researchers think that a galaxy’s corona is a remnant of the primordial cloud of gas that collapsed to form the galaxy billions of years ago. Although coronas have been seen around more distant dwarf galaxies, astronomers had never before been able to probe one in as much detail as this.

&

There’re lots of predictions from computer simulations about what they should look like,........

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...ive-shield-defending-a-pair-of-dwarf-galaxies

Ohhh, hot supercharged gas!

From the above article (which is a press release );

As predicted, the quasar spectra are imprinted with the distinct signatures of carbon, oxygen, and silicon that make up the halo of hot plasma that surrounds the galaxy.

So, we know what plasma is, and where it is. Unlike your go-to plasma guy, Scott (who has zero relevant qualifications), who thinks granulations on the solar 'surface' are 'anode tufts'! Good luck getting them in an overwhelmingly neutral gas. You do know that the photosphere is not hot enough to ionise much of anything, yes? Assuming you do, then do drop a line to the clown Scott, and let him in on the secret.




EDIT:

The published paper is;

Observations of a Magellanic Corona
Krishnarao, D. et al (2022)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05090-5 (free access)

 

[Sol88]

No coherent connection then.

Between the complete failure of the hot supercharged gas/big bang paradigm.

and the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE in which PLASMA is the fundamental state of matter.

the protective shield of hot supercharged gas is again a DOULBE LAYER.

 

[Sol88]

And what has this got to do with EU woo? As the NASA article says;



&



&



https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...ive-shield-defending-a-pair-of-dwarf-galaxies



From the above article (which is a press release );



So, we know what plasma is, and where it is. Unlike your go-to plasma guy, Scott (who has zero relevant qualifications), who thinks granulations on the solar 'surface' are 'anode tufts'! Good luck getting them in an overwhelmingly neutral gas. You do know that the photosphere is not hot enough to ionise much of anything, yes? Assuming you do, then do drop a line to the clown Scott, and let him in on the secret.




EDIT:

The published paper is;

Observations of a Magellanic Corona
Krishnarao, D. et al (2022)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05090-5 (free access)

a GAS or a PLASMA, jd116? Do you even know the difference?

 

[jonesdave116]

a GAS or a PLASMA, jd116? Do you even know the difference?

I know far more about it than you do. And I know far less than Tusenfem. Where does that leave you? On the same level as Don Scott? Oh dear!

Learn to read. I already quoted the article;

As predicted, the quasar spectra are imprinted with the distinct signatures of carbon, oxygen, and silicon that make up the halo of hot plasma that surrounds the galaxy.

 

[jonesdave116]

Between the complete failure of the hot supercharged gas/big bang paradigm.

and the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE in which PLASMA is the fundamental state of matter.

the protective shield of hot supercharged gas is again a DOULBE LAYER.

What a complete load of drivel. You haven't got a single plasma physicist. You haven't got anyone with the foggiest clue about plasma physics. And only someone without a clue would think this is anything to do with a double-layer. Stop embarrassing yourself, and pick up a plasma physics textbook. You've had long enough. What are you scared of? Maths?

 

[Ziggurat]

Hot supercharged gas? RecoveringYuppy, what is a hot super charged gas??

Confused.

This is the game mainstream play.

Because ummmmm.....you know PLASMA!

First, your link is wrong. This is the correct link:
https://hubblesite.org/contents/news-releases/2022/news-2022-030

You're looking at a press release for the general public, many of whom have no idea what a plasma is, and you're objecting to the fact that a press release doesn't use the term "plasma" but instead describes it as a "supercharged gas", a term which is a sufficiently accurate descriptor for a lay audience.

That's just stupid. Even you should know better.

a GAS or a PLASMA, jd116? Do you even know the difference?

Do most people know the difference? No. Most people have no idea what a plasma is.

So if you're writing a press release intended to be understandable by most people, why would you say "plasma", which they won't understand, when you can instead describe it in terms that they will understand?

You keep trying to do science by press release. But that's far more of an indictment of you than it is of NASA or anyone else.

 

[Ziggurat]

Stop embarrassing yourself, and pick up a plasma physics textbook. You've had long enough. What are you scared of? Maths?

Of course he's scared of math. He can't do any, he can't understand any. It's positively a phobia.

 

[MRC_Hans]

And what has this got to do with EU woo? As the NASA article says;



&



&



https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...ive-shield-defending-a-pair-of-dwarf-galaxies



From the above article (which is a press release );



So, we know what plasma is, and where it is. Unlike your go-to plasma guy, Scott (who has zero relevant qualifications), who thinks granulations on the solar 'surface' are 'anode tufts'! Good luck getting them in an overwhelmingly neutral gas. You do know that the photosphere is not hot enough to ionise much of anything, yes? Assuming you do, then do drop a line to the clown Scott, and let him in on the secret.




EDIT:

The published paper is;

Observations of a Magellanic Corona
Krishnarao, D. et al (2022)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-05090-5 (free access)

This is getting boring: You don't have a coherent thesis, you just have some scattered ideas, and every time a word pops up that seems to coincide with your ideas, you yell "I was right, I was right". You can't even explain how it fits your ideas.

Well, have a nice sand-box.

Hans

 

[tusenfem]

Of course he's scared of math. He can't do any, he can't understand any. It's positively a phobia.

Sol is only scared of the simplified math that us scientist use. He is quite well versed in the real math that the EU is publishing.