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“Woke”

Yeah, but...some of those preferences are vastly more important than others. Throw in a "mom and dad" or two when briefing students on an upcoming parents' day (yes, that's a thing) no one will complain, not even the people with just one parent left. Drop an n-word or two and see how long you're put on probation and stripped of leadership roles.


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Yes indeed, and as I think I mentioned in an earlier post, part of the context one has to remember in this whole affair is that those vastly more important preferences needed to be mentioned at all. I suspect this lecture was aimed at an audience to whom everything needs to be spelled out.

Of course it all depends on what paper ya read...One site begins its discussion with "Left-wing radicals flooding the US military and dragging their woke propaganda into it has been a well-documented problem for some time," which kind of sets the tone of the ensuing discussion.
 
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According to Damon Young at the WaPo, "woke" is now a dog-whistle for Black. Which is hilarious, because to me it's patently obvious that White liberals are actually the standard-bearers of the successor ideology.
 
According to Damon Young at the WaPo, "woke" is now a dog-whistle for Black. Which is hilarious, because to me it's patently obvious that White liberals are actually the standard-bearers of the successor ideology.

Did you read your link? Because your description seems to miss his point so badly that it is even more hilarious than your white liberals claim.
 
Damon Young said:
Then there’s “woke” — a word I’d argue has undergone more shifts in connotation than any other word in the 21st century. When I was in college, in the late ’90s and early aughts, it was used exclusively by Black people to describe the Black people so socially conscious that it bordered on parody. Unfortunately, one of us left the gate open and said it in mixed company, and it eventually entered the mainstream as a synonym for political correctness. As I wrote four years ago in a New York Times essay about it, “You were woke if you recycled, or maybe just retweeted an infographic on the virtues of recycling.”
This part seems spot on to me, so maybe he's right about the new usage as well.

Consciously casting for diversity does strike me as "woke" though, under any of the iterations described above.
 
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This part seems spot on to me, so maybe he's right about the new usage as well.

Consciously casting for diversity does strike me as "woke" though, under any of the iterations described above.

Always depends a bit on the part. Could Atticus Finch be Black or Asian? Could Virgil Tibbs be Native American or Hispanic? I'd argue that he can't, not without changing the whole meaning of those characters. Black Romeo, Hispanic Juliet? Yeah, because the story there isn't about race.
 
That's not a counter to virtue signalling, though. Rather, that's the super-category and virtue signalling is the subset. The latter is just how you do it verbally or in writing.

And it's not limited to one side of the political spectrum. Conservatives equally will signal, say, that they're against abortions and then some of them... go have an abortion. Or some preacher will make a big show of condemning homosexuality, and then it turns out he hired male hookers.

This starts out well enough, but then veers off track.

The phrase "virtue-signaling" and your examples here are part of the problem. It's the accusation that a person is being consciously inauthentic when the actual explanation is closer to self-deception. Yes, virtue-signaling is part of a larger phenomenon of a gap between what people say and what they do, but this disconnect is not entirely explained by social-desirability bias.

I'll try a different example. Netflix used to have a five-star rating system so that its algorithm could generate recommendations for users. What did people rate movies like Schinlder's List? Five stars. What did they rate Adam Sandler movies? Three stars. What types of movies did they spend more time watching? Take a wild guess. If you infer from this something akin to "virtue-signaling," then that's probably a mistake. Surely some users rate prestige films more favorably than their actual assessment, but mostly those movies are exhausting. We have a thread here where multiple members said they don't have any desire to watch Schindler's List more than once. People had Netflix queues that they would not expect anybody else to ever see, and as The Color Purple inched its way to the top, they'd push it back down.

And that's a substantially different phenomenon than feigning interest in astrology to meet women, or saying "Go Team" in the local newspaper when you fully expect they'll be creamed. When non-human organisms signal in deceptive ways (e.g., Batesian mimicry), we don't say they're aware of what they're doing. And in some respects, it's the same for humans. People can be fully blind to their own motives for good reason. This shouldn't even be controversial in "skeptic" circles. Robert Trivers had a huge influence on The Selfish Gene, which itself was a metaphor for saying human beings are a vehicle for the production of genes.

"Virtue-signaling" ratchets up dumb culture war politics, and this is not remedied by pointing out "conservatives do it, too."
 
In my experience most of us identify in terms of where our ancestors came from (e.g. Mexican American, Puerto Rican, etc.) rather than using an umbrella term one might use for an activist coalition or our current heritage month.

I'm thinking of a well-reported poll where, I believe, "Hispanic" was preferred by a plurality (and Latinx was preferred by 3 or 4%). Of course almost all groups prefer acknowledgment of the specific country their recent ancestors came from -- except maybe Germans, who are more inclined than their neighbors to go continental.
 
This starts out well enough, but then veers off track.

The phrase "virtue-signaling" and your examples here are part of the problem. It's the accusation that a person is being consciously inauthentic when the actual explanation is closer to self-deception. Yes, virtue-signaling is part of a larger phenomenon of a gap between what people say and what they do, but this disconnect is not entirely explained by social-desirability bias.

I think the term moral grandstanding is generally more apt than 'virtue signalling'.
 
Spotted the phrase "stay woke" in an NYT article this a.m. and I'd say it was likely intended as a signal of virtue, but perhaps not moral grandstanding since it doesn't necessarily rise to the level of moral talk.

Is there some reason you chose to link to your own post in *the thread that shall not be named* rather than to the actual article? Even if said article is behind a paywall?
 
Some people get so angry when their conception of what is normal is challenged. Is it because they fit their own conception of normal and regard variance from normal as being inherently bad? Or do they feel upset that they're possibly out-of-touch with the state of how things are? Or is it that they think it's criticism of them and such criticism is a personal attack? It's exceedingly hard to determine because it descends to incoherent rage and spluttering.


My elderly mother doesn't get angry, but she has a very strange view of what she considers being "tolerant". If she's watching a TV show and a man mentions his husband or a woman mentions her wife, her response will be something like:

"I don't care that they're gay, but they don't need to talk about it all the time."

Mentioning it once in passing is talking about it "all the time". I take it to mean "Why can't they stay in the closet so I can pretend they don't exist like the good old days." The one time I compared it to men talking about their wives or women talking about their husbands she insisted "That's different."
 
Alternatively, you (or d4m10n) can quote the phrase. I read the entire article and did a word search for "woke" without encountering it. I can't prove a negative, but you certainly can prove a positive.

The phrase was already quoted in the post d4m10n linked to. It is 'stay woke'.
 

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