DeSantis Martha's Vineyard Stunt

[Warp12]

Yeah, those Venezuelans have it made. Imagine you were a middle class business owner who lost everything because your tin-horn dictator had continued the disastrous economic policies of his predecessor and had tanked the economy so badly that you and most everyone else lost everything. Then imagine that you got to experience having over 20% of the murders in your now crime ridden country committed by the police, and the government being more concerned with hunting down anyone who criticizes them than with dealing with the fact that there's just no ******* food. Imagine deciding that your kids are in so much danger where you live that it's worth the risk of walking through seven countries to get to the U.S., all the while praying that your wife and daughter don't get raped by smugglers, or that you aren't just murdered outright and robbed of what little savings you could bring with.

They sure have a sweet deal.

I think I have already made it pretty clear that I don't care much about the plight of these people. I especially don't see any reason to dump them on our streets, poorly vetted, and potentially diseased. This country has its own poverty and homelessness issues, among others, that need addressing. So sorry if I don't cry a river when some illegals with a special exception get flown to Martha's Vineyard.

 

[Stacyhs]

I think I have already made it pretty clear that I don't care much about the plight of these people.

Crystal clear.

I especially don't see any reason to dump them on our streets, poorly vetted, and potentially diseased. This country has its own poverty and homelessness issues, among others, that need addressing. So sorry if I don't cry a river when some illegals with a special exception get flown to Martha's Vineyard.

What part of "they are not here illegally" are you not understanding? You may not like that the several countries I quoted and cited above have TPS, but that doesn't change the fact they are here legally.

 

[arayder]

I think I have already made it pretty clear that I don't care much about the plight of these people. I especially don't see any reason to dump them on our streets, poorly vetted, and potentially diseased. This country has its own poverty and homelessness issues, among others, that need addressing. So sorry if I don't cry a river when some illegals with a special exception get flown to Martha's Vineyard.

The usual.

Having been outted, our poster pretends not to care any which way or the other about the folks he, a few days ago, callously said needed to be sent home "without regard for their well being".

How very warped!

One suspects that our poster has made his "I'm done talking about this" statement and will be moving on.

But I could be wrong.

 

[Foster Zygote]

I think I have already made it pretty clear that I don't care much about the plight of these people.

Which makes your attempts at virtue signalling and moral shaming of liberals and atheists elsewhere all the more amusing.

 

[tyr_13]

Mainstream GOP and conservative sentiment being what it is, do you all think it will be a synagogue or grocery store that gets a right wing terrorist attack this time?

 

[smartcooky]

Mainstream GOP and conservative sentiment being what it is, do you all think it will be a synagogue or grocery store that gets a right wing terrorist attack this time?

Anywhere that there are Jews, Mudpeople or Children will be targets.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

Not fair for all these migrants to become the burden of small border towns. Federal govt. should take them and distribute them around the country, so we all share the load and the work.

Now it's all migrants? "Migrants" are definitely not confined to border towns and are mostly free people who can go anywhere they want. You've presented no evidence that they are even a burden.

 

[smartcooky]

The usual.

Having been outted, our poster pretends not to care any which way or the other about the folks he, a few days ago, callously said needed to be sent home "without regard for their well being".

How very warped!

One suspects that our poster has made his "I'm done talking about this" statement and will be moving on.

But I could be wrong.

Indeed.

When it comes to the GOP and their supporters, cruelty isn't a bug, its a feature. Cruelty is the ******* point!

 

[bruto]

Crystal clear.



What part of "they are not here illegally" are you not understanding? You may not like that the several countries I quoted and cited above have TPS, but that doesn't change the fact they are here legally.

It's obvious that he thinks they should be illegal, and agreement about whether what he thinks is what is true is a technicality.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Desantis' whole stunt was based on the assumption that "The left is just as racist I am and once they see a bunch of brown people show up they will kick them out SO FAST!" When that didn't happen, they just made up a lie that it did anyways. The right gobbles it up because believing absurdities is a requirement for that lot.

. . .

 

[Stacyhs]

DeSantis wants air time attention. He learned from Trump: it doesn't matter what kind of attention, as long as it's attention. Keeping his name and face in the news in his priority. He wants 2024 bad.

 

[Warp12]

When it comes to the GOP and their supporters, cruelty isn't a bug, its a feature. Cruelty is the ******* point!

This sounds more idiotic every time I hear it parroted around here. As though conservatives and Republicans are a group of aspiring Supervillains. Like, the concept of not wanting poorly-vetted, infectious, should-be illegals pouring onto our streets by the thousands is somehow "cruel", in the mind of a liberal.

Does that mindset not sound insane? I feel like I am taking crazy pills around here!

 

[smartcooky]

This sounds more idiotic every time I hear it parroted around here. As though conservatives and Republicans are a group of aspiring Supervillains. Like, the concept of not wanting poorly-vetted, infectious, should-be illegals pouring onto our streets by the thousands is somehow "cruel", in the mind of a liberal.

Does that mindset not sound insane? I feel like I am taking crazy pills around here!

Evidence for these three claims - you know what I'm going to say next...

Put up or shut up!

 

[Warp12]

Like, the concept of not wanting poorly-vetted, infectious, should-be illegals pouring onto our streets by the thousands is somehow "cruel", in the mind of a liberal.

Evidence for these three claims - you know what I'm going to say next...

Put up or shut up!

Oh wait, I have to explain why water is wet, again? Big shocker around here.

This new wave of migrants is coming largely from Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua. That's significant because these migrants generally cannot be expelled under the pandemic border restrictions known as Title 42. And immigration authorities are mostly releasing them into the United States, where they can seek asylum.
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In August alone, the Border Patrol recorded more than 50,000 apprehensions in the Del Rio sector, which includes Eagle Pass — tens of thousands more than in traditional migration corridors like the Rio Grande Valley and El Paso.The number of migrants arriving from Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua was nearly equal to the number from Mexico and northern Central America.

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/23/1124...igrants-converge-on-a-remote-corner-of-south-


Look at those numbers, and nearly half are not subject to the same Covid protocols that normally would see them deported. These are the "not illegals" that liberals are crowing about, like the ones here who suffered through a trip to Martha's Vineyard.

Agents have been deployed from the northern border to expediate the processing. Owens said the migrants are not housed at the facility longer than 3 days.

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/...says/273-5b11b150-dfbd-4c7d-8b01-0b269c04d1af

Within 72 hours they are sprung. How well do you think they are vetted??

 

[Foster Zygote]

Evidence for these three claims...

Add it to the stack of claims that Warp can't support so he can act like he's met the burden of proof by saying "water is wet" or some other evasive excuse.

 

[smartcooky]

Oh wait, I have to explain why water is wet, again? Big shocker around here.


https://www.npr.org/2022/09/23/1124...igrants-converge-on-a-remote-corner-of-south-


Look at those numbers, and nearly half are not subject to the same Covid protocols that normally would see them deported. These are the "not illegals" that liberals are crowing about, like the ones here who suffered through a trip to Martha's Vineyard.


https://www.kens5.com/article/news/...says/273-5b11b150-dfbd-4c7d-8b01-0b269c04d1af

Within 72 hours they are sprung. How well do you think they are vetted??

None of any of that piffle is evidence of any of the three claims you made. They're just opinions.

"poorly-vetted": Show which steps in the vetting procedures were not followed or carried out, and show factual evidence that those steps were missed.

"infectious": Prove, with facts, that these people were infected with disease, and specify which disease(s).

"should be illegals": Show the section(s) of the USCIS' travel authorization granting Temporary Protected Status (TPS) to Venezuelan asylum-seekers that makes them illegal immigrants.

I can't wait to see what inane crap you come up with for these... especially the last one.

 

[Warp12]

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The level of selective liberal-championed feigned ignorance around here is staggering. Like I said, it makes one think they are taking crazy pills.

 

[smartcooky]

The level of selective liberal-championed feigned ignorance around here is staggering. Like I said, it makes one think they are taking crazy pills.

- There were no relevant facts presented at all, and none of what you posted was the evidence I asked for.

I repeat, none of your inane piffle is evidence of any of the three claims you made, namely...

"poorly-vetted": Show which steps in the vetting procedures were not followed or carried out, and show factual evidence that those steps were missed.
None of the links you posted listed the steps in the vetting procedures

"infectious": Prove, with facts, that these people were infected with disease, and specify which disease(s).
None of the links you posted listed the infections or diseased that you claim these people have

"should be illegals": Show the section(s) of the USCIS' travel authorization granting Temporary Protected Status (TPS) to Venezuelan asylum-seekers that makes them illegal immigrants.
None of the links you posted showed that part of the TPS grant that transforms these asylum-seekers into illegal immigrants
.
.

 

[phiwum]

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"should be illegals": Show the section(s) of the USCIS' travel authorization granting Temporary Protected Status (TPS) to Venezuelan asylum-seekers that makes them illegal immigrants.
None of the links you posted showed that part of the TPS grant that transforms these asylum-seekers into illegal immigrants
.
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You're using a different notion of "should" than Warp. You're focused on whether the granting of TPS status is legal, but he's focused on whether it is "deserved" in some sense. That is, whether there is a reason that we ought to grant special status to Venezuelans at this time.

But let's suppose that it is undeserved for a moment, that this was in irresponsible choice by the administration. Warp concludes he doesn't give a damn about these people because they don't deserve this special status. But does this make any sense? They didn't do anything wrong in taking advantage of the rules involving asylum. If any wrong was done, it would be on the part of the administration, not the asylum seekers.

So, the "reasoning" is just mighty confused. If the administration grants certain rights to seek asylum when they "shouldn't", how could that possibly make mistreatment of the migrants by DeSantis morally okay? Is there some sort of ledger where the administration added a benefit and now DeSantis is allowed to add a deficit so long as it's not greater than the benefit?

Warp has a childish view of basic decency. Well, except when he claims that DeSantis's self-serving end justifies the means. In that case, he has a childish rejection of morality altogether.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

I think I have already made it pretty clear that I don't care much about the plight of these people.

When it comes to the GOP and their supporters, cruelty isn't a bug, its a feature. Cruelty is the ******* point!

This sounds more idiotic every time I hear it parroted around here. As though conservatives and Republicans are a group of aspiring Supervillains.

It sounds more accurate every time a GOP supporter proclaims his callousness.

Does that mindset not sound insane? I feel like I am taking crazy pills around here!

If I felt that way, I'd stop taking the pills.