DeSantis Martha's Vineyard Stunt

[Warp12]

Why would I want to go to poverty-stricken places?

To expand your horizons! To push out of your comfort zone! To make an effort to learn something about the world you live in by seeing it first hand!

Feel free to visit my share of poverty-stricken ******** countries. I also have zero interest in wading through cesspools so that I can have a better understanding of excrement. I don't need to do either to know that these migrants have it much better in TX, FL, or MA than they did in Venezuela. It is the liberals here and elsewhere whining about their "mistreatment", not me.

Being a part of this event seems to have been quite the windfall for them.

 

[arayder]

Why would I want to go to poverty-stricken places? The point was, the US is a much better destination than the country these migrants came from. Whether you are in TX, FL, or MA. Only liberals are pretending these migrants are experiencing ultimate hardship due to the actions DeSantis. Quite the opposite is true.

You are just reinforcing my point.

To expand your horizons! To push out of your comfort zone! To make an effort to learn something about the world you live in by seeing it first hand!

No, I am giving you opportunities to show everyone here just exactly who you are.

And well done, too smartcooky.

Warp's argument seems to be that cruelty of herding immigrants around the country for DeSantis' political gain is negated because the Central Americans so abused where herded around in a more affluent country.

 

[arayder]

Being a part of this event seems to have been quite the windfall for them.

I one way, yes.

Third Reich Rick forgot he was working his stunt in a country of laws and that when he harmed these immigrants he left himself and his administration open to a civil suit.

Since you are down there in Florida it is likely your tax dollars will be used to defend your state should it be dragged into civi court.

Thanks in advance, Warp.

 

[newyorkguy]

Below are quotes from US News & World Report. It illustrates how DeSantis' actions in flying migrants to Martha's Vineyard was essentially a political stunt. It was designed to garner massive publicity for Ron DeSantis and get him the support of trump's base. On those grounds it seems to have worked. Everybody's talking about Ron DeSantis and that seems to have been the whole idea.

The Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates for restrictions, keeps an extensive list of “sanctuary” jurisdictions, which, by its definition, limit cooperation with federal immigration authorities. They include Boston and seven other Massachusetts cities. None of the towns in Martha's Vineyard are on the list.

DeSantis used a state program in which migrants deemed “unauthorized aliens" can be moved “from Florida,” though the governor has acknowledged the flights originated in Texas. They stopped first in Florida, before going to Martha's Vineyard, but DeSantis has not emphasized that. Instead, he maintains that the two flights were a legitimate use of funds because the migrants otherwise would have aimed to go to Florida, though he offered no evidence of that and did not say how migrants might have been vetted. Link to US News report

The irony is, the program DeSantis used to pay for the flights was designed to remove unauthorized aliens from Florida. First, the migrants on the flight seem to be legally authorized to remain in the United States pending the remediation of their asylum request. Second, they weren't in Florida. DeSantis brought them to Florida.

Finally, DeSantis has been asked to more fully explain his actions but so far has refused to do so. Sound familiar?

 

[bruto]

Why would I want to go to poverty-stricken places? The point was, the US is a much better destination than the country these migrants came from. Whether you are in TX, FL, or MA. Only liberals are pretending these migrants are experiencing ultimate hardship due to the actions DeSantis. Quite the opposite is true.

You are just reinforcing my point.

Nobody here has suggested the hardship is "ultimate." Saying one thing is less nasty than another is not the same thing, by far, as saying that it is therefore good enough.

The action in this case was, I believe, ill advised, stupid political posturing, and, like your own comments, prejudicial and disparaging of the lives of others. The fact that we could have done even worse does not make it good.

 

[Mojo]

It seems to be a right wing position that certain types of country are terrible places where people are cruelly oppressed, but perfectly OK to send people back to.

 

[phiwum]

Why would I want to go to poverty-stricken places? The point was, the US is a much better destination than the country these migrants came from. Whether you are in TX, FL, or MA. Only liberals are pretending these migrants are experiencing ultimate hardship due to the actions DeSantis. Quite the opposite is true.

You are just reinforcing my point.

Right. Morally speaking, it's okay to abuse immigrants just so long as you don't make their lives in the US worse than their lives in their home country. See, so long as they have a net positive, you may do with them what you will.

That's ethics, that is.

So, lie to them about opportunities in Boston and then fly them to Martha's Vineyard. Let them fend for themselves there or, if they're lucky, rely on the kindness of others. What does it matter? Still better than Venezuela and it scores DeSantis political points, so it really is an admirable move.

 

[bruto]

Given that De Santis probably went to school in Florida, perhaps it's just poor reading comprehension. He thought the tired and poor were supposed to do their huddling in Mass.

 

[Beelzebuddy]

Given that De Santis probably went to school in Florida, perhaps it's just poor reading comprehension. He thought the tired and poor were supposed to do their huddling in Mass.

He went to Harvard. He's evil, not stupid.

 

[arayder]

Let's face it.

Trump, DeSantis and our resident apologist have rejected kindness, compassion, truth and justice in favor of whatever mean, lying, unfair schlock sticks against the wall.

This is un-American, un-Christian (pick any religion you want and it's "un") and runs 100% counter to the best of American tradition.

 

[Stacyhs]

I'm reminded of what Maya Angelou said: "When people show you who they are, believe them the first time." We saw this with Trump, DeSantis, Abbott, MTG, Boebert, Graham, Cruz and a whole host of (compassionate) conservatives. Well, I believe them.

 

[Stacyhs]

Nobody here has suggested the hardship is "ultimate." Saying one thing is less nasty than another is not the same thing, by far, as saying that it is therefore good enough.

This is typical of restrictive black and white thinking. They do not see shades of gray in a world that is overwhelmingly shades of gray.

As Anna Navarro said today, the party that repeatedly tells us how horrible communists/socialists are and use it to fear monger is the same party that rejects those fleeing from that very thing.

The action in this case was, I believe, ill advised, stupid political posturing, and, like your own comments, prejudicial and disparaging of the lives of others. The fact that we could have done even worse does not make it good.

Although all of the above is true, it doesn't matter when the objective is to trigger liberal tears to drink.

 

[chrispy]

Why would I want to go to poverty-stricken places? The point was, the US is a much better destination than the country these migrants came from. Whether you are in TX, FL, or MA. Only liberals are pretending these migrants are experiencing ultimate hardship due to the actions DeSantis. Quite the opposite is true.

You are just reinforcing my point.

Come to my beautiful Guatemala for a week. You would be amazed at how welcoming and kind people are, even to someone like you. Might change your perspective. The kindest, hardest working people in the world... and they would welcome you with no questions asked even after what the US helped do to this country. Actually, that is another fact that people forget. Many of the Latin American countries were either directly or indirectly destabilized by the US, thus putting strain on weakened central governments and on economies, meaning that people often have far less chance to prosper and making the US a destiniation for many to achieve dreams that were **** on by the US in past generations.

 

[newyorkguy]

...when the objective is to trigger liberal tears to drink.

I saw a very good response to this kind of thing on another message board -- every board seems to have a couple posters whose main purpose is to trigger 'the libs' -- and am copying it below.

If you've built a personality around gleefully “offending liberals,” here's what you need to know: we aren't offended. You haven't hurt our feelings or made us cry. You sound like children to us, and we're sick of responding over and over to your infuriatingly stupid talking points, but we keep doing it because people's lives might literally be at stake if the wrong kind of idiocy is allowed to spread too far. You're not erudite debaters “owning the libs.” You're the rotten annoying little kids kicking the backs of our seats.

 

[Stacyhs]

I saw a very good response to this kind of thing on another message board -- every board seems to have a couple posters whose main purpose is to trigger 'the libs' -- and am copying it below.

That about sums it up!

 

[smartcooky]

I saw a very good response to this kind of thing on another message board -- every board seems to have a couple posters whose main purpose is to trigger 'the libs' -- and am copying it below.

 

[Ranb]

Maybe is was brought up earlier, but have grass roots Republicans recognized the irony of GOP politicians spending large amounts of money to keep those "undesirable illegal aliens" in the USA instead of deporting them?

I personally understand that people flown to Martha's Vineyard are currently legally in the USA. But the people who support DeSantis are probably quite certain that they are here illegally.

 

[Warp12]

I personally understand that people flown to Martha's Vineyard are currently legally in the USA. But the people who support DeSantis are probably quite certain that they are here illegally.

Technically, they aren't here illegally. But that is only because they are granted a special exception because they migrated from Venezuela, and we won't deport them. Unlike many other illegals, who don't get a pass. It must suck to be a Mexican caught at the border and deported, while these Venezuelans get put on US soil to seek asylum.

 

[Stacyhs]

Technically, they aren't here illegally.

It's not 'technically'; a person is either here legally or not. They are.

But that is only because they are granted a special exception because they migrated from Venezuela, and we won't deport them.

As are several others:

Countries Currently Designated for TPS


Afghanistan
Burma (Myanmar)
Cameroon
El Salvador
Haiti
Honduras
Nepal
Nicaragua
Somalia
Sudan
South Sudan
Syria
Ukraine
Venezuela
Yemen

Unlike many other illegals, who don't get a pass. It must suck to be a Mexican caught at the border and deported, while these Venezuelans get put on US soil to seek asylum.

You seem unaware of WHY this is:

The Secretary may designate a country for TPS due to the following temporary conditions in the country:

Ongoing armed conflict (such as civil war)
An environmental disaster (such as earthquake or hurricane), or an epidemic
Other extraordinary and temporary conditions

Mexico does not fall into any of the above categories.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Technically, they aren't here illegally. But that is only because they are granted a special exception because they migrated from Venezuela, and we won't deport them. Unlike many other illegals, who don't get a pass. It must suck to be a Mexican caught at the border and deported, while these Venezuelans get put on US soil to seek asylum.

Yeah, those Venezuelans have it made. Imagine you were a middle class business owner who lost everything because your tin-horn dictator had continued the disastrous economic policies of his predecessor and had tanked the economy so badly that you and most everyone else lost everything. Then imagine that you got to experience having over 20% of the murders in your now crime ridden country committed by the police, and the government being more concerned with hunting down anyone who criticizes them than with dealing with the fact that there's just no ******* food. Imagine deciding that your kids are in so much danger where you live that it's worth the risk of walking through seven countries to get to the U.S., all the while praying that your wife and daughter don't get raped by smugglers, or that you aren't just murdered outright and robbed of what little savings you could bring with.

They sure have a sweet deal.