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Lplus said:
What about it? should everything be simplified for simplicity's sake?
What about when it doesn't have to be simplified for most people?
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Because that is good design. Being simple and intuitive is a hallmark of good design and the less instruction one needs to be able to operate something the better. That is why safety features work their way in and safety procedures. Because someone will do something stupid and it is not a function of their being stupid. That is why industrial equipment has so many safety interlocks because people will screw it up.
 
"Simple" and "A 4 year old can do it" can very different tones and "attitude" (for lack of a better, more precise term) even if their literal meaning is 1:1.

On the topic rather than the terminology I'm not a massive fan of "1 pedal" control. Even in electric cars I think "Stopping" and "Just do go forward anymore" should be distinct actions.
 
Lplus said:
it isn't a bad thing as such. For those who don't want to use or are unable to use a more complex system, it's just fine.
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For the vast majority of people, not using an overly complex rube-goldberg contraption is better than just fine. For some pompous twits, adding in complexity allows them to feel superior about routine tasks like driving. Because what's good design when it comes to pretending you're more capable because you bogged down a system with needless parts?
 
zooterkin said:
I'm baffled as to why you'd slow it down by having shift points, instead of simply pinning you to your seat.
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One of the things that impressed me the most when we bought our 2005 Mustang GT back in '05 was how smoothly it shifted gears. Not having any gears to shift in my EV is even more impressive.

But, hey, to each his own. I am sure there are a lot of people who will get a kick out of the new Dodge. It seems sort of like a theme park simulator ride. :-)
 
JoeMorgue said:
"Simple" and "A 4 year old can do it" can very different tones and "attitude" (for lack of a better, more precise term) even if their literal meaning is 1:1.

On the topic rather than the terminology I'm not a massive fan of "1 pedal" control. Even in electric cars I think "Stopping" and "Just do go forward anymore" should be distinct actions.
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I already cited one life that would have been saved by that feature, with one pedal driving Anton Yelchin would not have been killed because they made putting the car in park overly complicated.
 
It feels kind of like selling a Model T and providing a buggy whip and a horse poop smell generator and a device to go “clip/clop”* to maintain the “essence” of a horse-drown carriage.

And just as silly.

*Maybe utilizing coconut shell halves?
 
Lplus said:
What about it? should everything be simplified for simplicity's sake?
What about when it doesn't have to be simplified for most people?
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You have it backwards. An EV doesn't need a gearbox, so why have a gearstick? Why add unnecessary complications?
 
ponderingturtle said:
Because that is good design. Being simple and intuitive is a hallmark of good design and the less instruction one needs to be able to operate something the better. That is why safety features work their way in and safety procedures. Because someone will do something stupid and it is not a function of their being stupid. That is why industrial equipment has so many safety interlocks because people will screw it up.
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If the automatic gearbox had come first and someone designed a manual gearboxx, I might agree with you, but since it was the other way round I don't. As to doing something stupid, Whilst something like 90+% of accidents are caused by driver error, how many of those do you really think were caused by the drivers being unable to change gear?

wareyin said:
For the vast majority of people, not using an overly complex rube-goldberg contraption is better than just fine. For some pompous twits, adding in complexity allows them to feel superior about routine tasks like driving. Because what's good design when it comes to pretending you're more capable because you bogged down a system with needless parts?
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Is this some "I'm telling you I can't drive stick by insinuating you're pompous because you can drive stick" thing?
 
Lplus said:
If the automatic gearbox had come first and someone designed a manual gearboxx, I might agree with you, but since it was the other way round I don't. As to doing something stupid, Whilst something like 90+% of accidents are caused by driver error, how many of those do you really think were caused by the drivers being unable to change gear?
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Ah, so because the manual gearbox is closer to the horse and buggy, that's what makes it more impressive to drive. Hey, the first car engine was a 1 cylinder. Something tells me you don't brag about driving a 1 cylinder.

Lplus said:
Is this some "I'm telling you I can't drive stick by insinuating you're pompous because you can drive stick" thing?
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No. Whatever makes you so defensive about driving a stick?
 
wareyin said:
Ah, so because the manual gearbox is closer to the horse and buggy, that's what makes it more impressive to drive. Hey, the first car engine was a 1 cylinder. Something tells me you don't brag about driving a 1 cylinder.
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So you think it's more impressive to drive a manual gearbox. Cool.

No. Whatever makes you so defensive about driving a stick?
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Why should I be defensive? Even you think it's more impressive. ;)
 
JoeMorgue said:
"Simple" and "A 4 year old can do it" can very different tones and "attitude" (for lack of a better, more precise term) even if their literal meaning is 1:1.

On the topic rather than the terminology I'm not a massive fan of "1 pedal" control. Even in electric cars I think "Stopping" and "Just do go forward anymore" should be distinct actions.
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1 pedal driving is a symptom of the electric motors. While it can be disabled, in EV's when you release the accelerator, the act of the car still going forward causes the motors to generate electricity to be stored in the battery. This causes resistance which also causes the vehicle to slow down.

This prevents excessive wear on the actual brakes, giving them a longer lifespan, and is very useful on steep hills.


The cars still have brakes and a brake pedal.
 
Shalamar said:
1 pedal driving is a symptom of the electric motors. While it can be disabled, in EV's when you release the accelerator, the act of the car still going forward causes the motors to generate electricity to be stored in the battery. This causes resistance which also causes the vehicle to slow down.

This prevents excessive wear on the actual brakes, giving them a longer lifespan, and is very useful on steep hills.


The cars still have brakes and a brake pedal.
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And they're easy to drive and it's easy to get used to.
 
Lplus said:
So you think it's more impressive to drive a manual gearbox. Cool.



Why should I be defensive? Even you think it's more impressive. ;)
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Oh for ****'s sake stop being coy.

What is the advantage of a manual gearbox? Give an actual answer.
 
Lplus said:
So you think it's more impressive to drive a manual gearbox. Cool.
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How does that follow? You claimed that manual gearboxes came before automatic gearboxes that meant manual greaboxes were a better design. The analogy to that is that because single cylinder engines came first, they're a better design than the multi cylinder engine you drive now. None of that leads to thinking it's impressive to drive a manual.

Lplus said:
Why should I be defensive? Even you think it's more impressive. ;)
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Not at all. I literally learned to drive a manual as a child, before I learned to drive an automatic. That puts it into the child's toy category, and watching an adult brag about what I was doing at 15 years old is cringeworthy.
 
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