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DeSantis’s Lost Cause

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Florida Gov. DeSantis takes aim at what he sees as indoctrination in schools

In long tradition of antebellum pro-Confederate propaganda, DeSantis is attempting to rewrite the racism out of American history. This is nothing more than a rebranding of the old Daughters of the Confederacy program of indoctrination of school kids with Lost Cause mythology.

“Takes aim …at indoctrination in schools”
Every accusation is a confession.
 
From the article:

In his Focus on the Family interview, he said, "There's an element on the far left that believes parents really have no role in the education of their kids. You drop them off at school ... and they impose the ideology and worldview that they want."
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He is 100% correct on the above point. And I think a lot of voters find that relatable.
 
Warp12 said:
From the article:




He is 100% correct on the above point. And I think a lot of voters find that relatable.
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People who don’t know teachers may believe that, but at least some people do know teachers and are having a hearty laugh.
 
Upchurch said:
Florida Gov. DeSantis takes aim at what he sees as indoctrination in schools

In long tradition of antebellum pro-Confederate propaganda, DeSantis is attempting to rewrite the racism out of American history. This is nothing more than a rebranding of the old Daughters of the Confederacy program of indoctrination of school kids with Lost Cause mythology.

“Takes aim …at indoctrination in schools”
Every accusation is a confession.
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It actually adds even more Christian Nationalism in than the old Lost Cause stuff.

DeSantis, and Republicans more generally, are not just for general conservative indoctrination, but specifically anti-democracy Christian control of the US. This is why the lies (framed as 'parental choice') they want are lies about the origins of the US, it's past flaws, etc.

Allowing this kind of regressive anti-reality ideology to be taught will poison the nation faster than most other things would. The US has been successful partly because of our history of seeking progress on organizational, scientific, and engineering front. Christian nationalism hurts all of that.
 
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Dr. Keith said:
People who don’t know teachers may believe that, but at least some people do know teachers and are having a hearty laugh.
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The only parents who could try to have an influence on their schools and fail are those trying to impose truly moronic and evil ideas. Parents get what they want to an honestly problematic degree.
 
One particularly chilling section of the linked article reads as follows:

Barbara Segal, a high school government teacher in Fort Lauderdale, recently took a three-day training session on Florida's new civics standards. She says, "They were pushing an ideological agenda." In the training materials, Segal says, slides said it was a "misconception" that the Founding Fathers wanted strict separation of church and state and that they in fact wanted religion to be promoted.

Some of the most jarring material seemed to downplay the role of slavery in the country's founding, including one that stated that only 4 percent of enslaved people from Africa came to the colonies.

"Which means," Segal concluded, "we're not that bad."
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This is nothing more than a naked attempt to control what people know and think. DeSantis and his cronies know full well that the more you know and the more critically you think, the less likely you are to support their corrupt and perverted agenda. So the education process itself needs to be gutted.

They will ultimately fail of course (I'm confidant that no part of today's conservatism will withstand the test of time), but they could damage a lot of people for a generation or two.
 
Upchurch said:
And much like the original Lost Cause, they aren't really in favor of parents rights any more than they were in favor of States rights
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Well of course they are! They are in the same way in fact. The right parents get rights just like the right states get rights.

They get the power and everyone else is a lesser and deserves to be subjugated, as God intended. It isn't confusing. And it isn't subtle.
 
Upchurch said:
And much like the original Lost Cause, they aren't really in favor of parents rights any more than they were in favor of States rights
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Of course not. They're just trying to stunt the intellectual growth of this generation of students. Otherwise, who would vote for them in the future? Certainly not anyone who's informed and can think critically.
 
Warp12 said:
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He is 100% correct on the above point. And I think a lot of voters find that relatable.
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Nope. "far left" is simply a conservative media buzzword.

And the fact that voters find it relatable is frightening but only shows their ignorance and perhaps unwillingness to embrace facts cause they're afraid what they might expose about the world.
 
Stellafane said:
One particularly chilling section of the linked article reads as follows:



This is nothing more than a naked attempt to control what people know and think. DeSantis and his cronies know full well that the more you know and the more critically you think, the less likely you are to support their corrupt and perverted agenda. So the education process itself needs to be gutted.

They will ultimately fail of course (I'm confidant that no part of today's conservatism will withstand the test of time), but they could damage a lot of people for a generation or two.
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The 4% claim is either true or it is false. If it's true then it is something kids should learn, if it's false it should not be taught. And I do love that you can almost hear the sadness in the teacher's voice as she says: "Which means," Segal concluded, "we're not that bad."

I can imagine how disturbing it must be to a teacher to have to conclude that America is not that bad.
 
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Brainster said:
The 4% claim is either true or it is false. If it's true then it is something kids should learn, if it's false it should not be taught. And I do love that you can almost hear the sadness in the teacher's voice as she says: "Which means," Segal concluded, "we're not that bad."

I can imagine how disturbing it must be to a teacher to have to conclude that America is not that bad.
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Some people consider it bad without qualification to keep any percentage of an enslaved population.

Apparently, none of those people are conservatives.
 
Brainster said:
The 4% claim is either true or it is false. If it's true then it is something kids should learn, if it's false it should not be taught. And I do love that you can almost hear the sadness in the teacher's voice as she says: "Which means," Segal concluded, "we're not that bad."

I can imagine how disturbing it must be to a teacher to have to conclude that America is not that bad.
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*sigh* The Haitian Revolution by imported slaves lead the American slavers to conclude the North Atlantic Slave Trade had to end in the US, but that also laws should be passed that any child born to a slave mother was a slave regardless of the status of the father.

Which happened. This allowed slavers to gain slaves not from stealing more black people from Africa. However, this provided an economic incentive to rape their slaves. Which happened. And eventually our nation fought the bloodiest war in our history because the slavers wanted to keep their slaves.

'We're not that bad' in regards to slavery is ahistoric nonsense but it does help the deplorables feel less bad about it.
 
Warp12 said:
From the article:

He is 100% correct on the above point. And I think a lot of voters find that relatable.
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Can I play this game, too?

"There's an element within the lesbian community who think that all men should be executed except for a few breeding slaves maintained for in vitro fertilization."

Isn't that clever? See, it points to a rarified extreme as an example of what the vast majority believe. Now, in the minds of the sheep who listen to the repulsive James Dobson's Focus on the Family, anyone who calls DeSantis out on his racist revisionist ******** is telling them they can't have a role in the education of their kids. It isn't that DeSantis is pushing racist lies about the history of this country that are on par with holocaust denial - it's that "evul librools" are after their kids.

I know, I know... It seems like an untenable strategy because it would require a large portion of the population to be ignorant simpletons who have been indoctrinated since childhood to think whatever their culture's authority figures tell them to think. But what if that were the case? What if a narcissistic ****-bag like DeSantis really could manipulate stupid people into being terrified of a nonexistent threat that only he can save them from?
 
Foster Zygote said:
Can I play this game, too?

"There's an element within the lesbian community who think that all men should be executed except for a few breeding slaves maintained for in vitro fertilization."

Isn't that clever? See, it points to a rarified extreme as an example of what the vast majority believe.
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That analogy does not hold up. Even if we look just at the opinions on this forum, the vast majority of liberals are perfectly happy to see liberal ideals and beliefs pressed upon children...even as freakish as some of those ideals are.

It isn't some far outlier, clearly.
 
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