Forward Party

[wareyin]

You have this completely backwards. That the Democrats have failed to deliver is the reason we have conservative majorities. They have no path forward to get these things that is rooted in political reality, but somehow I'm the traitor to the cause for pointing this out.

Nonsense. In many ways even approaching universal healthcare with "Obamacare" and "death panels" was what helped the GOPers to get their majority. Dems are campaigning on strengthening the safety net, Reps are claiming it's a hammock for lazy people.

You attack the people who at least vote for you by lying about them and insulting them. Somehow they are the ones that are the problem.

Wait, who voted for me? Or who did (my Senator) Raphael Warnock lie about and insult that voted for him? You seem to be mixing up a lot of things and thus your claims aren't really coherent here.

If indeed dissent is not tolerated within the Democratic Party, I'm out. At that point there is literally no reason to vote for them.

If you won't put up with me attacking you, then I'm just going to keep attacking you! I'd rather have the GOP completely dismantle democracy than vote Dem! At least they'd let me keep complaining about stuff I don't understand!

 

[wareyin]

Maybe I should take this tact in my professional life. If something goes bad I can just tell my clients that they couldn't have done any better and tell them not to complain even when they continue to retain my services.

Sounds like a winning plan, really.

Oh, my. I'd love to see you take this tact in real life. Some yahoo who has no clue how things are done tells you that you should just do "x". When you explain that there is literally nothing in your power to do "x", then they get to whine about passing the buck, incompetence, trying to lose, etc. Somehow I don't think you'd agree with that tactic, then.

 

[Suddenly]

Nonsense. In many ways even approaching universal healthcare with "Obamacare" and "death panels" was what helped the GOPers to get their majority. Dems are campaigning on strengthening the safety net, Reps are claiming it's a hammock for lazy people.

Exactly. They had a massive majority, passed a GOP plan, and still lost their majority. It's a great example of political malpractice.

If you won't put up with me attacking you, then I'm just going to keep attacking you! I'd rather have the GOP completely dismantle democracy than vote Dem! At least they'd let me keep complaining about stuff I don't understand!

It's more the lie that I'm voting GOP. If we are policing this board for conduct that makes the Democratic Party look bad, well, demanding purity in thought and deed doesn't seem all that helpful.

 

[wareyin]

Exactly. They had a massive majority, passed a GOP plan, and still lost their majority. It's a great example of political malpractice.

If you're going to claim the the thing the GOP was screaming about "deathpanels" over was a GOP plan, I don't think we live in the same reality.

It's more the lie that I'm voting GOP. If we are policing this board for conduct that makes the Democratic Party look bad, well, demanding purity in thought and deed doesn't seem all that helpful.

You may or may not be voting GOP. We'll never know. All we know is that you're promoting their ideas, and attacking their opponents, usually with unfair demands or claims. Just like the GOP does, actually. 'Joe Biden caused gas prices to go too high, so you shouldn't vote Warnock because defund the police!'

 

[Suddenly]

When you explain that there is literally nothing in your power to do "x", then they get to whine about passing the buck, incompetence, trying to lose, etc. Somehow I don't think you'd agree with that tactic, then.

If I promised x they'd be within their rights and I'd not respond by demanding their unquestioned loyalty.

 

[Suddenly]

If you're going to claim the the thing the GOP was screaming about "deathpanels" over was a GOP plan, I don't think we live in the same reality.

I'm saying that not being able to handle something as stupid as the "deathpanels" nonsense is a sign of political incompetence.

They worry about what might happen when they lose power so much that they both don't use political power to the fullest when they do have it, and they haven't figured out that no matter what they do the GOP response is going to be a wave of bad faith BS.

 

[wareyin]

If I promised x they'd be within their rights and I'd not respond by demanding their unquestioned loyalty.

Good thing no Democrat has ever claimed they'd force Manchin to vote however they want to, then.

Yet, here we are. Nobody claimed they'd be able to, they have literally no mechanism to do so, but we have yahoos claiming that the fact that they didn't do what they never said they'd do nor have the power to do is evidence that you should let the other team win.

I'm saying that not being able to handle something as stupid as the "deathpanels" nonsense is a sign of political incompetence.

They worry about what might happen when they lose power so much that they both don't use political power to the fullest when they do have it, and they haven't figured out that no matter what they do the GOP response is going to be a wave of bad faith BS.

Well, you have the GOP bad faith BS, and then you have the "progressive" wave of bad faith BS, but sure, blame the people you helped smear for having been smeared.

 

[ahhell]

Again why is nobody asking themselves why the Right doesn't have this problem?

And sure you can just shrug and spout off a truism about how it's because they are stupid and can't think for themselves and don't have any morals and all of that is 100% true but where does that get us exactly?

What problem exactly? Did you miss the last 6 years where they were basically the victims of a hostel take over by a guy that was good buddies the the Clintons 7 years ago? Or the way where they've essentially expelled one of their most conservative members for insufficient revolutionary zeal?

Jonah Goldberg has a line about how both parties are basically competing for permanent minority status.

 

[Craig4]

Can the rest of the Forward Party please keep Andrew Yang off television? He got savaged by Jim Acosta on Sunday afternoon. It was funny for a bit but after a while, I just wanted it to end.

 

[Random]

Can the rest of the Forward Party please keep Andrew Yang off television? He got savaged by Jim Acosta on Sunday afternoon. It was funny for a bit but after a while, I just wanted it to end.

It's not the messenger, it's the message.

Every political party in history has basically formed the same way. A bunch of people with similar political agendas gets together and forms a voting block. These loonies are trying to reverse the process, forming a political party and then deciding what their agenda is.

I mean, you can say that their agenda is to unify and bipartisan and all that, but that ignores why political parties exist in the first place. People disagree about things, and some things people disagree about cannot be ignored or compromised away.

 

[I Am The Scum]

Can the rest of the Forward Party please keep Andrew Yang off television? He got savaged by Jim Acosta on Sunday afternoon. It was funny for a bit but after a while, I just wanted it to end.

I like how the interview is being described as a real beatdown when all that the guy did was ask follow-up questions.

 

[Donal]

What problem exactly? Did you miss the last 6 years where they were basically the victims of a hostel take over by a guy that was good buddies the the Clintons 7 years ago? Or the way where they've essentially expelled one of their most conservative members for insufficient revolutionary zeal?

Jonah Goldberg has a line about how both parties are basically competing for permanent minority status.

Again, this isn't new. It has been happening for a long time.

 

[wareyin]

I like how the interview is being described as a real beatdown when all that the guy did was ask follow-up questions.

Sadly, asking follow up questions in an interview is a real beatdown when all you have is bumper-sticker policies.

 

[JoeMorgue]

In time since I've last had to fill my gas tank Biden has, with only a 50/50 Congress

- Cancelled 3.9 billion dollar in student loan debt, the entire amount for students of what was the largest for profit university in the US.
- Killed the leader of the largest terrorist group in the world.
- The largest ever government action to stop climate change.
- A 15% minimum tax on large corporations
- All without being a national embarrassment.

Yep, sure can't do anything.

 

[Venom]

In time since I've last had to fill my gas tank Biden has, with only a 50/50 Congress

- Cancelled 3.9 billion dollar in student loan debt, the entire amount for students of what was the largest for profit university in the US.
- Killed the leader of the largest terrorist group in the world.
- The largest ever government action to stop climate change.
- A 15% minimum tax on large corporations
- All without being a national embarrassment.

Yep, sure can't do anything.

And yet the Democrats can't seem to communicate these facts to the public very effectively. Wonder why. I'm not fond of the childish nicknames, but "Sleepy Joe" sticks for a reason.

 

[wareyin]

And yet the Democrats can't seem to communicate these facts to the public very effectively. Wonder why. I'm not fond of the childish nicknames, but "Sleepy Joe" sticks for a reason.

I wonder whether it's an inability to communicate so much, or whether it's more simply not what people want to hear.

I still have ads on my TV/youtube videos from the GOP ranting and raving about Biden causing gas prices to be so high. I also still have the local yokels putting "I did that" Biden stickers on the gas pumps around here. Never mind that they're like down $1/per gallon from just a couple months ago, never mind that the President doesn't set prices, people around here just want to complain about it all being Biden's fault.

I also get ads against my Dem Senator Warnock, complaining that because the cost of a burger is now $15, Warnock shouldn't have approved of some casino being built in some other state. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't have to. It's <bad thing> therefore Democrat's fault. What, Al-Zarwahiri was killed? Who? Who cares, gas prices were high a couple months ago argle bargle! What, we're taking action on climate change? Global warming is all fake anyhow and besides, Biden didn't get Manchin to vote for an abortion rights bill!

 

[JoeMorgue]

And yet the Democrats can't seem to communicate these facts to the public very effectively. Wonder why. I'm not fond of the childish nicknames, but "Sleepy Joe" sticks for a reason.

It's been the major news story for the last couple of days. What do you expect Biden to come around and tell you personally?

 

[Venom]

I wonder whether it's an inability to communicate so much, or whether it's more simply not what people want to hear.

It's been the major news story for the last couple of days. What do you expect Biden to come around and tell you personally?

I'm saying at the very least I want to see Democrats blast the airwaves with these talking points with the same fanatical enthusiasm that Republicans have when they kiss Trump's ass to stay electable.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I'm saying at the very least I want to see Democrats blast the airwaves with these talking points with the same fanatical enthusiasm that Republicans have when they kiss Trump's ass to stay electable.

The Democrats aren't a Cult. We don't do that.

 

[dudalb]

Ok, fine, continue in your strident efforts to get the Republican Party into permanent power. I'm sure that will get you universal healthcare, an improved safety net, restored civil rights, and a unified court.

Oh, wait, the Reps that you're assisting are the whole reason we don't have universal healthcare, and are the party working to erode the safety net, destroy our civil rights, and the Reps are the reason we have a Conservative majority on the SC.

So, hey, you're backing the winners here! Too bad you, like most Rep voters, are working against your own self interest as long as you can stick it to those people who only work for 99% of the stuff you want.

That might just be what some radicals on the left want. under the idea that "The sooner we have fascism, the sooner we will have the revolution".
Problem with Suddenly and a couple of other here is they cannot accept that relatively few voters are as far to the left as they are. They think there is some vast lost tribe of left wing voters just waiting for hte right candidate or party to come along to lead them to the promised land. They are wrong, of course.