Answer to the Problem of Evil

[Little 10 Toes]

Emre_1974, you have posted three time after I have. Because you have willfully ignored both mine and Darat's posts I would like to thank you for confirming that it ok to kill people that might cause someone to disbelieve. Not will, did, or had, but might cause someone to disbelieve. That sounds evil. I think getting rid of the Quran will help answer the problem of evil.

 

[Thor 2]

You have no time for the notion of a god at all (other than to conclude that there is no such thing).

The idea that a fictional god can not create people with free will is just silly. Like I say, who makes up these rules?

So, silly is it?

I think it silly to believe a god can make a dodgy soul, that can make the wrong decisions (using said free will) and then hold the soul owner responsible.

 

[psionl0]

So, silly is it?

Yes. Any rule that says you are allowed to imagine a god exists but you are not allowed to imagine that he gave people free will is silly in the extreme.

I think it silly to believe a god can make a dodgy soul, that can make the wrong decisions (using said free will) and then hold the soul owner responsible.

People make bad choices all the time - even when they know that the likely consequences will be bad. If somebody killed a loved one of yours, you would not argue that they should get off scott free because they didn't really have free will.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

Again;

No, there he is a servant directly commissioned by God. It's just like the angels of death. Or doomsday workers.

Otherwise, nobody can slap anybody for their faith:


https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=3774.0

 

[Darat]

Again;

Right back at you again, again and again:

My Turkish article translated with machine:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611966.0

Peace

I was bored so...

"....his world is the realm of testing, of confronting oneself, and it is also the place where some small punishments or rewards begin to be offered. And every adversity or happiness that happens in this world functions both as a test and as a way of giving the person what they deserve. ..."​

Three year old girl, raped multiple times and beheaded: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/s...ape-and-beheading-of-3-year-old-girl-in-india

What lesson was she learning, what testing was she undergoing, how did she deserve to be raped and killed?

What lesson was the 3 year old who was raped and then beheaded being taught?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Yes. Any rule that says you are allowed to imagine a god exists but you are not allowed to imagine that he gave people free will is silly in the extreme.

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But we are not allowed to imagine just any god,. we are being told exactly what kind of God to believe in, and in the case of Christianity, it's one that has a take-it-or-leave-it attitude towards Free Will.

 

[psionl0]

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

 

[Scorpion]

1- Guilt needs proof, but innocence does not. So babies go to Paradise.

2- The brain and body live forever healthy and young. Even in our mortal universe there are living beings who can remain eternally young. Moreover, the Hereafter Universe, called the Lord's Floor, has different physical laws. The only immortal universe is on the Lord's Floor. It is the only universe that will not be destroyed by the Big Crunch and the living beings and planets in it will remain alive forever as described in the verses.
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You don't know these things, you are just making them up. As far as I know there is nothing in the Quran about what happens to babies when they die.
Will they grow up to maturity in the afterlife? if so what if they are evil and do bad things, will they remain in paradise? Even if they do will they ever be happy considering they are untried and untested and have had no experience of life?

Nor do I think is there anything about beings remaining eternally young.

If the Quran is what you believe in you have to stick to what it says and not make stuff up.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

Again;

Again:

Who brought up slapping?

Your post does nothing to counter the fact that it's okay to kill someone because they might cause someone to disbelieve. Not will, did, or had, but might.

I'm not going to go to all the sites that you post. I went to one and that's more than enough.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

You don't knA.

I said it all from the Quran. You don't know the Quran or scientific developments.

You are a pagan who is a prisoner of the demons inside and around you. (You said yourself that you allow demons with hot energy to enter your body, also, the spirits you say you see/speaking all the time are really demons.).

Peace

 

[Craig4]

I said it all from the Quran. You don't know the Quran or scientific developments.

You are a pagan who is a prisoner of the demons inside and around you. (You said yourself that you allow demons with hot energy to enter your body).

Peace

Funny stuff. It's all the made up story of a corrupt trader with deviant sexual interests.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

If somebody killed a loved one of yours, you would not argue that they should get off scott free because they didn't really have free will.

How do you know that? Are you saying people act totally predictably?

Really having free will includes arguing that a killer should indeed get off 'Scott free' even though your emotions are crying out for blood. It doesn't mean only doing what psionl0 expects you to do - because that wouldn't be free will at all. It would prove that you are just a mechanism whose actions can be accurately predicted by your nature and environment.

According to the story God gave man free will, then got upset when he asserted it.

"I'm not a control freak," said God, "and I love you. So I won't force you to do what I want. I will trust your judgement and let you make your own decisions."

"What??? You ate from the Tree of Knowledge even after I said it would kill you? And you didn't die, proving that I lied? How dare you decide for yourself what you should do! Get out of my garden! I curse you and all your offspring forever!"

That's totally what a control freak with delusions of grandeur would do though. And God acts totally predictably like this throughout the Bible - suggesting that He doesn't have free will. Which is what you might expect from a fictional character.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

What about a baby that killed its sibling in the womb?

 

[Scorpion]

I said it all from the Quran. You don't know the Quran or scientific developments.

So which verses in the unholy Quran say anything about what happens to babies after they die?

 

[psionl0]

How do you know that? Are you saying people act totally predictably?

Really having free will includes arguing that a killer should indeed get off 'Scott free' even though your emotions are crying out for blood. It doesn't mean only doing what psionl0 expects you to do - because that wouldn't be free will at all. It would prove that you are just a mechanism whose actions can be accurately predicted by your nature and environment.

According to the story God gave man free will, then got upset when he asserted it.

"I'm not a control freak," said God, "and I love you. So I won't force you to do what I want. I will trust your judgement and let you make your own decisions."

"What??? You ate from the Tree of Knowledge even after I said it would kill you? And you didn't die, proving that I lied? How dare you decide for yourself what you should do! Get out of my garden! I curse you and all your offspring forever!"

That's totally what a control freak with delusions of grandeur would do though. And God acts totally predictably like this throughout the Bible - suggesting that He doesn't have free will. Which is what you might expect from a fictional character.

Somebody else who has no idea of what free will is.

Punishing somebody for making a choice you don't like is not the same as programming them to make a certain choice.

You might think that the Garden of Eden test was unfair but that has nothing to do with whether Adam and Eve exercised their own free will when they ate the fruit.

 

[Emre_1974tr]

So which verses in the holy Quran say anything about what happens to babies after they die?

I've told you pages and pages. Only those who have evidence against them, only those who face their own evil will go to hell.

https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=3845.msg18321

Those who die as babies or those who are created directly in paradise do not go to hell. Guilt needs proof, but innocence does not need proof.

God knows what you would do if you were tested in this world for eternity on endless options. If you are one of the total bad guys, he gives you a long enough life in this world to gather evidence against you. So he says, "This is what you are," and then you have no appeal in the afterlife. I have explained this extensively, giving pages and pages of verses. I am not going to explain it again here. Read and learn.

Peace

 

[Darat]

I've told you pages and pages. Only those who have evidence against them, only those who face their own evil will go to hell.

https://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=3845.msg18321

Those who die as babies or those who are created directly in paradise do not go to hell. Guilt needs proof, but innocence does not need proof.

God knows what you would do if you were tested in this world for eternity on endless options. If you are one of the total bad guys, he gives you a long enough life in this world to gather evidence against you. So he says, "This is what you are," and then you have no appeal in the afterlife. I have explained this extensively, giving pages and pages of verses. I am not going to explain it again here. Read and learn.

Peace

My Turkish article translated with machine:

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9611966.0

Peace

I was bored so...

"....his world is the realm of testing, of confronting oneself, and it is also the place where some small punishments or rewards begin to be offered. And every adversity or happiness that happens in this world functions both as a test and as a way of giving the person what they deserve. ..."​

Three year old girl, raped multiple times and beheaded: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/s...ape-and-beheading-of-3-year-old-girl-in-india

What lesson was she learning, what testing was she undergoing, how did she deserve to be raped and killed?

 

[Foster Zygote]

We have not got souls:

http://emre1974tr.blogspot.com/2011/07/nobody-has-got-ghost-according-to-quran.html

Peace

I got soul. And I'm super bad.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Somebody else who has no idea of what free will is.

Punishing somebody for making a choice you don't like is not the same as programming them to make a certain choice.

You might think that the Garden of Eden test was unfair but that has nothing to do with whether Adam and Eve exercised their own free will when they ate the fruit.

But how did they know it was wrong/evil to do so? Until they ate the fruit they knew nothing about evil. Poor, trusting Eve was set up by Satan and YHWH Himself.