Badlyshavedmonkey equation is dissproved!

[Mojo]

I take it that homoeopathy is no good at treating paranoia either.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

No, I have no idea what your IP is, and I do not care.

You accused me of deceiving members, when I have deceived nobody. Now please apologise.

Also, note that I did not deceive Snoopy. I didn't even post the case at H'pathy, that was done by a poster called Naturalhealth, as you can easily see. I posted the hypothetical case here, as can be seen from the links, with full explanation of what it was all about. What then happened when Naturalhealth decided to copy that to H'pathy without my permission was no fault of mine.

Maybe some day we can discuss whether you think you can spot life-threatening symptoms reliably enough to tell people to go immediately to a real doctor. But today, I'll settle for an apology.

Rolfe.

who is natural health? a member of randi forum?

 

[Rolfe]

You mean like this? Can you provide a link to where anyone other than you or the rest of the homoeopaths has claimed that Rolfe is in the habit of designing such traps?

If you can't, you owe Rolfe, and the rest of the forum, another apology.

Oh, one apology will do for all.

Rolfe.

 

[Rolfe]

who is natural health? a member of randi forum?

Good question.

Now, which forum has the name "Naturalhealth" in its members list? JREF or H'pathy? Surely someone who can see the url of a web site can work this out?

Rolfe.

 

[The_Fire]

Oh for BOB(tm)'s sake!
Ip tracking?!
I wasn't aware that Paranoia was listed as a qualification of being admitted to ANY medical studie at ANY university in ANY country!
You are sidetracking again, Sheikh!
Now answer the questions or belt up!

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

No, I have no idea what your IP is, and I do not care.

But you traced the Ip if you are the owner of the site or your campanion is operating that site.

By the way, who is the owner of the site www.vetpath.co.uk what the owner has relationship with you? Why you or others put the whole thread there?

You accused me of deceiving members, when I have deceived nobody. Now please apologise.

I have been decieved. You cheated with me.

Also, note that I did not deceive Snoopy. I didn't even post the case at H'pathy, that was done by a poster called Naturalhealth, as you can easily see. I posted the hypothetical case here, as can be seen from the links, with full explanation of what it was all about. What then happened when Naturalhealth decided to copy that to H'pathy without my permission was no fault of mine.

You supported natural health by providing link in your signature when he or she did something wrong without your permission then why you provided that link?

Maybe some day we can discuss whether you think you can spot life-threatening symptoms reliably enough to tell people to go immediately to a real doctor. But today, I'll settle for an apology.

Rolfe.

I only suggested to change words of "hpathy" forum. You change your words. I will openly apologize to you. The problem will be solved. No need to involve administrator here. We are not child who cannot solve our issues.

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Good question.

Now, which forum has the name "Naturalhealth" in its members list? JREF or H'pathy? Surely someone who can see the url of a web site can work this out?

Rolfe.

natural health could be you. It is so easy to discuss with different names at different forums. Can you provide the sceintific evidence that you are not natural health???

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Oh for BOB(tm)'s sake!
Ip tracking?!
I wasn't aware that Paranoia was listed as a qualification of being admitted to ANY medical studie at ANY university in ANY country!
You are sidetracking again, Sheikh!
Now answer the questions or belt up!

When mojo for the first time objected on my signature in four to five different threads at that time where you were? Why you did not object when he was clearly derailing the topic.

 

[Metullus]

I will never hesitate to applogise first whether I feel I am right in my opinion because I am not coming here to dishonour anybody. But in your case you are cheating in the sense that you have designed a cage to trace the IP addresses of members (old or new) who are posting at randi forum. They click at your given signature with the hope that they are clicking on hpathy forum but actually they go to a different site. This was also happend with me. If I had the idea that I may be land on vet site, I will never click on it.

Your members also accepted that you have the habit of designing such traps, just like you did with snoopy.

I think, you should appologize to all members.

Sir,

Please provide evidence that Rolfe has "designed a cage to trace the IP addresses of members (old or new) who are posting at randi forum"

Please provide evidence that "members also accepted that [Rolfe has] the habit of designing such traps, just like [she] did with snoopy."

If you are not able or willing to provide such evidence please withdraw your accusations and apologize to Rolfe.

I do not believe you to be honorable and so I do not expect you to either provide the evidence or to appologize to Rolfe. Feel free to prove me wrong.

Metullus

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

Sir,

Please provide evidence that Rolfe has "designed a cage to trace the IP addresses of members (old or new) who are posting at randi forum"

This I have explained in my previous post. The word "Hpathy Forum" is written in her sigature. When I clicked at link, the link was not gone at hpathy forum. Although the word hpathy forum was written on the linked site but that was not hpathy site. 1. she cheated in the sense that she decieved me. 2. she copied the material of hpathy forum (copyright) without their permission 3. she supported that unethetical members who in her sense copied the material without taking her permission. 4. Inspite of this she supported that member by providing the link in her signature.

How many evidence you required?

Please provide evidence that "members also accepted that [Rolfe has] the habit of designing such traps, just like [she] did with snoopy."

This has been explain by randi forum that a game was played with snoopy and she was trapped. Snoopy also admitted that she was trapped with fictitious health case. A case which was not geuinine, on that case, medical advised was asked. Now snoopy might will not provide good advice on geunine case, again unethical. rolfe is the party / person who supported that unethical habit. Non of the other members supported that by putting under signature.

If you are not able or willing to provide such evidence please withdraw your accusations and apologize to Rolfe.

I have provided enough evidence for senisble persons for those who know the meaning of moral obligations and ethics of society. how to discuss and how to treat when you sit in social gathering. I am ready to apologize without any demand. I just make a request, to remove the word "hpathy" in her signature. On rest of the signature it is not my issue. If admin will feel that she is breeching rule then admin will himself contact her.

I do not believe you to be honorable and so I do not expect you to either provide the evidence or to appologize to Rolfe. Feel free to prove me wrong.
clarification is given above follow them.

 

[Metullus]

Sir,

Please provide evidence that Rolfe has "designed a cage to trace the IP addresses of members (old or new) who are posting at randi forum"

This I have explained in my previous post. The word "Hpathy Forum" is written in her sigature. When I clicked at link, the link was not gone at hpathy forum. Although the word hpathy forum was written on the linked site but that was not hpathy site. 1. she cheated in the sense that she decieved me. 2. she copied the material of hpathy forum (copyright) without their permission 3. she supported that unethetical members who in her sense copied the material without taking her permission. 4. Inspite of this she supported that member by providing the link in her signature.

How many evidence you required?

How about evidence that Rolfe "designed a cage to trace the IP addresses of members"? This you do not address in your quoted response.

Please provide evidence that "members also accepted that [Rolfe has] the habit of designing such traps, just like [she] did with snoopy."

This has been explain by randi forum that a game was played with snoopy and she was trapped. Snoopy also admitted that she was trapped with fictitious health case. A case which was not geuinine, on that case, medical advised was asked. Now snoopy might will not provide good advice on geunine case, again unethical. rolfe is the party / person who supported that unethical habit. Non of the other members supported that by putting under signature.

What trap? A question, even a hypothetical scenerio, is not a "trap". Snoopy was provided with a summary of symptoms and asked what her advice and treatment would be. This is in what way a "trap"? This was in what way unethical? Snoppy's responses were hers and hers alone. Was she in any way coerced into responding? Did Rolfe somehow trick her into responding? No.

If you are not able or willing to provide such evidence please withdraw your accusations and apologize to Rolfe.

I have provided enough evidence for senisble persons for those who know the meaning of moral obligations and ethics of society. how to discuss and how to treat when you sit in social gathering. I am ready to apologize without any demand. I just make a request, to remove the word "hpathy" in her signature. On rest of the signature it is not my issue. If admin will feel that she is breeching rule then admin will himself contact her.

You have provided no evidence in support of your accusations.

I do not believe you to be honorable and so I do not expect you to either provide the evidence or to appologize to Rolfe. Feel free to prove me wrong.
clarification is given above follow them.

Your "clarification" includes no evidence in support of your accusations.



edited for punctuation and {QUOTE} issues.

 

[ClusterBoy]

Dr Sheikh,
1) No she did not. You choose to see it as deception, many other posters here don't think that is the case.
2) Thats possible regarding copyright. i don't know. However, given strong evidence of homeopaths behaving badly, some people like to keep a record of this so they can show other people. The website could have chosen to remove the thread, it could have been lost to the mists of time. I should imagien that is why a copy was made
3) No. At no point, according to any of the links i have seen, and there have been a few (though none from you), did Rolfe condone this behaviour
4) Again, no. She has merely shown you where evidence can be found backing up her claims about homeopaths. Not claims about people laying traps. Not about anything else, except exactly what she is referring to.

 

[Ducky]

Paranoia and sidetracking aside, can you in fact spot life threatening symptoms, Dr. Sheikh?

If so, how about an excersize? I will give you specific and very real presenting symptoms of a very real and specific medical case. You tell me what the diagnosis and prognosis is. Deal?

I'll make it easy.

Here are the symptoms:

loss of appetite, fatigue, muscle weakness, restlessness, chronic pain in back and ribs.

Those were the real presenting symptoms of a 28 year old white male with no history of systemic disease in family.

What's the diagnosis?


ETA: This should be a no brainer.

 

[Rolfe]

I only suggested to change words of "hpathy" forum. You change your words. I will openly apologize to you. The problem will be solved. No need to involve administrator here. We are not child who cannot solve our issues.

I am going to change no words in my sig. What is in my sig is true, and the exact circumstances can be read from the link, protected from deletion by the H'pathy admins. Long may all Snoopy's patients continue to be hypothetical. Now, how about some backup for the statements in your sig?

But you traced the Ip if you are the owner of the site or your campanion is operating that site.

Please provide evidence that I or anyone known to me has traced your IP. I have no interest whatsoever in your IP, even if it were possible for me to trace it, which I simply do not know.

For your information, posting links to sites I control is much more likely to allow you to trace my identity than the other way around. But then, I don't care because I have nothing to hide. Have you got something to hide, Sheikh?

By the way, who is the owner of the site www.vetpath.co.uk what the owner has relationship with you? Why you or others put the whole thread there?

The ownership of the site is for you to find out, please do if you feel so inclined. I already told you why those pages were put on that domain. And if there is any copyright question, that is up to H'pathy to complain about, it is nothing to do with you.

(But hey guys, Sheikh did me a favour. That domain has two quite different web sites on it, plus I park some pages I want to link to, such as those H'pathy pages. I had never thought about what one might find if one clicked on the bare link as given above. In fact it gets a page that I shouldn't be displaying, which was accidentally left there when some pages were rearranged. I must go and fix that. .... Ah, that's better.)

I have been decieved. You cheated with me.

How were you deceived? How did I cheat you?

I have neither deceived nor cheated you. I posted a link to the evidence that what I said in my sig was true. You might try that some time. It has now been shown independently that every word on that page is exactly as on the original. I insist you apologise for accusing me of cheating and deceiving.

You supported natural health by providing link in your signature when he or she did something wrong without your permission then why you provided that link?

How can you say that my link is supporting Naturalhealth? She behaved very badly and the link proves that. In the linked page, I criticise her very strongly.

And by the way, have you thought at all about "Naturalhealth", who used to have a sig with a couple of lay-person homoeopathic diplomas listed, but has more recently started claiming to be a real qualified doctor, with a diploma only available to qualified doctors? I think accepting that she's lying is more charitable than imagining that a real doctor could so totally miss the significance of a list of classic symptoms of a life-threatening disease copied straight from a text-book. Do you approve of people on your site claiming qualifications they don't have, in their sig lines no less?

Oh, I just noticed your rule 5. "We would also appreciate, if all members can add their qualification/Occupation and/or real name to their signatures. This is not compulsory but will help to create a more professional atmosphere in the long run." What do you think about someone adding a qualification she doesn't actually have?

If you want to know about Naturalhealth, it's a long story.

She came here calling herself Homeoskeptic, telling a pack of lies about being a man whose wife was dabbling in homoeopathy. Read all about it. However, be warned that the truth doesn't emerge until quite a long way into the thread. Later, she started to claim to be a qualified doctor, but she made a mistake about what qualifications she should be claiming to have. That is all documented as well. Once she had that sorted out she changed her sig at H'pathy to (falsely) claim these qualifications there too.

Some little time later she re-registered here as Corallinus, and this identity was later banned because as you know you are not allowed to have two identities here. However, it was as Corallinus that she boasted here about having posted my Addison's case over at H'pathy. Quite openly. In fact she started a thread about it. Can you still imagine that I might be Naturalhealth, reading that little lot?

Neither Homeoskeptic nor Corallinus has posted here for some time. If you look at Sarah-I, however, you may note an uncanny similarity of both literary style and argument.

Now, about that apology....

(Actually, just provide evidence for the statement in your sig, or delete it. That will be quite enough.)

Rolfe.

 

[Zep]

Talking of deception and cheating, Sheikh, why do I get the strongest impression that you sound just like our "friend" Dr. MAS? The wording and the subject and even the posting style (with the coloured fonts, etc) all certainly bear a strong resemblance... Does the acronym "MAS" involve the word "Sheikh", perhaps?

If you are, of course, you do know the rules about sock-puppets here? (We will probably have to explain that term, of course.)

 

[Rolfe]

Oh God, not that again! Yes, the're all the same, the MAS collective is one poster, but who cares apart from the admins?

On the other hand, this thread has irretrievably deteriorated anyway, maybe we can get it moved to AAH too.

Sheikh, provide evidence that you are not MAS. And Non-sense Homeopath. And the rest of them.

Rolfe.

 

[Metullus]

I think they are all Zep. Can't prove it though.

 

[Mojo]

Oh God, not that again! Yes, the're all the same, the MAS collective is one poster, but who cares apart from the admins?

I wouldn't be so sure about this. In this thread someone using the Dr. Sheikh account seems to be claiming that the threads the account spammed the forum with were not started by him.

 

[The_Fire]

When mojo for the first time objected on my signature in four to five different threads at that time where you were? Why you did not object when he was clearly derailing the topic.

?!
Did you by any chance notice my signup date?!
Now answer the effing questions!

 

[The_Fire]

I wouldn't be so sure about this. In [snip] board wond let fire post urls for another couple of posts [/snip] this thread, someone using the Dr. Sheikh account seems to be claiming that the threads the account spammed the forum with were not started by him.

That sound suspiciously like something I've encountered on other boards after someone had backed themselves into a corner....what was it again....oh yes:
"My kidbrother used my account to alienate the entire board. Can we please start over?" or something to the same effect. Unfortunately the twit used the same spelling mistakes as the "alleged" kid brother........
I'm go to reserve the right to being suspicious about this.......