The Russian Invasion of Ukraine Part 4

[Andy_Ross]

Operation Double Cross ?

Yes, the book by Ben Macintyre 'Double Cross: The True Story of The D-Day Spies' is the best one on the subject.

 

[GlennB]

Yes, the book by Ben Macintyre 'Double Cross: The True Story of The D-Day Spies' is the best one on the subject.

As I recall, they also fed misinformation about where the V1 and V2 bombs were landing, in order to make the Germans 'adjust their aim' to take the bombs away from central London.

 

[theprestige]

In WW2 the British realised the best way to use the German spies they captured in the UK and 'turned' (It was all of them) was to feed mainly real intelligence, albeit low level, through to the Germans wit the fake stuff mixed in.

Operation Double Cross ?

Yes, the book by Ben Macintyre 'Double Cross: The True Story of The D-Day Spies' is the best one on the subject.

As I recall, they also fed misinformation about where the V1 and V2 bombs were landing, in order to make the Germans 'adjust their aim' to take the bombs away from central London.

I'm beginning to understand the allusion to Al Bundy's four high school touchdowns. Do y'all not have anything to say about this current conflict?

 

[Andy_Ross]

As I recall, they also fed misinformation about where the V1 and V2 bombs were landing, in order to make the Germans 'adjust their aim' to take the bombs away from central London.

Yes and false info about Patton leading the real invasion with his army that was based in East Anglia and Normandy was just a diversion. It is one of the reasons they never sent the divisions being held in reserve in to action until it was too late.

 

[GlennB]

I'm beginning to understand the allusion to Al Bundy's four high school touchdowns. Do y'all not have anything to say about this current conflict?

We both have. We're discussing the balance between lies and truth, and how endless lies just destroy the liar's position.

 

[a_unique_person]

MK Bhadrakumar chimes in again.

Ukraine grain deal is a feel-good event. But road to peace is long and winding




Indian perspective, ought to be read in full.

All that tells me is that Russia will sink civilian ships carrying Ukraine grain. Nyah, nyah, nyah.

 

[arthwollipot]

Watch it closer and in a couple of weeks you will be wiser.

Another of your predictions, Childlike Empress?

 

[Aridas]

To poke back at something confirming of the artillery discussion from a bit ago...

Russian 2S7M suffered a catastrophic barrel failure, with a 103kg shell traveling about 2100mph (960m/s), I would not want to be anywhere near that when it went boom.

Also a sign that Russian crews may be pushing their current artillery systems to the edge of reliability.

I'd still not be depending upon this end for much of their artillery, but it is happening, apparently.

 

[Pixel42]

Another of your predictions, Childlike Empress?

CE rarely makes specific predictions, just vague non committal statements like that, which is why I've bookmarked this one:

There will be no Ukrainian counter-offensive.

 

[The Don]

Do you deny that the BBC video clearly shows that no grain silos were hit (at least not in the video)

Has anyone claimed that grain silos were hit ? The BBC didn't make that claim.

and their whole "uuh uuh it's a violation of the "grain deal"" is pure propaganda?

An attack on port infrastructure is still a violation of the "grain deal"

 

[The Don]

Perun's latest video. They're getting longer and longer as he's getting into his stride. This one comes in at nearly 75 minutes.



In this video, he considers how helicopters have faired in the Russian invasion of Ukraine. In particular here he considers the KA-52 because it's only operated by Russia and it's their state of art equipment.


edited to add....

yt;dw version.

Russian losses in the first months of the war were high, largely due to the way in which helicopters were being used. This use was in line with doctrine but that doctrine may not be suitable for the situation in Ukraine. Helicopters are not fulfilling their role in Ukraine and if they are to do so, then tactics and equipment needs to change - including a greater use of stand-off weapons to keep helicopters out of harm's way from MANPADs.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Moscow has charged 92 members of the Ukrainian armed forces with "crimes against the peace and security of humanity"

Also proposed is an international tribunal backed by countries including Iran, Syria and Bolivia.

Also investigations are under way into Ukrainian health ministry employees for developing weapons of mass destruction.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62287502

 

[The Don]

Moscow has charged 92 members of the Ukrainian armed forces with "crimes against the peace and security of humanity"

Also proposed is an international tribunal backed by countries including Iran, Syria and Bolivia.

Also investigations are under way into Ukrainian health ministry employees for developing weapons of mass destruction.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62287502

Well if those three countries (plus Russia) don't represent an unbiased view of the place of human rights in a society, I don't know who does.

I do worry about anyone unlucky enough to find themselves in Russian, or Russian proxy, hands. I don't think too many of them will return alive.

 

[eerok]

As expected, the Russians don't like the HIMARS much.

Alarm in the Russian nationalist information space continues to grow as the pace of Russian operations slows in the face of successful Ukrainian high-mobility artillery rocket system (HIMARS) strikes on key Russian logistics and command-and-control nodes. (understandingwar.org ISW)

Moscow Calling [a medium-sized Russian Telegram channel] notably defined the arrival of HIMARS as a distinct turning point in the war and stated that previously provided Western weapons systems (such as NLAWs, Javelins, Stingers, and Bayraktars) did very little against Russian artillery bombardment (they are not designed or intended to counter artillery attack), but that HIMARS changed everything for Russian capabilities in Ukraine.[8] Moscow Calling strongly insinuated that recent Ukrainian strikes on Russian warehouses, communication hubs, and rear bases are having a devastating and potentially irreversible impact on the development of future Russian offensives.[9]

 

[eerok]

CE rarely makes specific predictions, just vague non committal statements like that, which is why I've bookmarked this one:

There will be no Ukrainian counter-offensive.

This prediction has already shown itself to be wrong.

 

[Oystein]

This prediction has already shown itself to be wrong.

This depends very much on what you consider properly a "counter-offensive". There is some small forward movement of Ukrainian units (on the scale of individual villages) in limited parts of the very long contact line, in an area that is not nearly as fortified or equipped with men and material on either side as the Donetsk region is. Some commentators say this is a harbinger of a coming counter-offensive - you seem to think it already is one. Matter of opinion, not fact, at this point.

 

[Andy_Ross]

This depends very much on what you consider properly a "counter-offensive". There is some small forward movement of Ukrainian units (on the scale of individual villages) in limited parts of the very long contact line, in an area that is not nearly as fortified or equipped with men and material on either side as the Donetsk region is. Some commentators say this is a harbinger of a coming counter-offensive - you seem to think it already is one. Matter of opinion, not fact, at this point.

Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky says his forces are advancing "step by step" into the occupied southern region of Kherson.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62283196

Of course they are going to advance in to the areas not nearly as fortified or equipped with men and material.
Why do you think they have been waiting while the Russians strip out their units to keep their crawl going?

 

[Childlike Empress]

A bit from today's MoD report:

High-precision sea-based long-range weapons near Bogdanovtsy, Khmelnitskyi region, have destroyed transshipment base with US-supplied ammunition for HIMARS multiple-launch rocket systems and shells for US M777 large-calibre howitzer.

 

[Pixel42]

I don't think I'm ready to call CE's prediction as failed just yet, but I expect to do so sometime in the next few weeks.

 

[The Don]

A bit from today's MoD report:

High-precision sea-based long-range weapons near Bogdanovtsy, Khmelnitskyi region, have destroyed transshipment base with US-supplied ammunition for HIMARS multiple-launch rocket systems and shells for US M777 large-calibre howitzer.

For the avoidance of confusion, the MoD in question is Russia's MoD so this is a Russian claim and IMO should be considered to be as accurate as other Russian claims of success.

Vladimir Putin's forces have destroyed an ammunition depot for US-made HIMARS rocket systems in Bogdanovtsy, in Ukraine's Khmelnytskyi region, the Russian defence ministry has claimed.

Reuters was unable to independently confirm the reports.

Russia has previously said it has destroyed several of the HIMARS systems supplied to Ukraine by the West, in claims denied by Kyiv.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...ile-use-12541713?postid=4209339#liveblog-body